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Transfer or 2 clubs stayman? 2/1 ACBL

Poll: transfer or stayman (15 member(s) have cast votes)

transfer or stayman

  1. transfer to 2 spades (9 votes [60.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 60.00%

  2. 2 clubs stayman (5 votes [33.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 33.33%

  3. something else (1 votes [6.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.67%

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#1 User is offline   dickiegera 

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Posted 2016-July-30, 17:20

Is it better to bid 2 transfer to spades and pass


bid 2 [stayman] and pass opener's 2 of a major bid
or if opener bids 2 correct to 2 spades?

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Posted 2016-July-30, 17:39

If you have the agreement that stayman followed by 2 is weak then obviously that is better.
However, I think it is better to play that sequence as invitational. That means that this hand will have to transfer to spades.

It is also possible to play stayman followed by 2 as showing this hand. The advantage of this is that partner will always correct to 2, so you can then play the delayed 2 bid as forcing. This allows you to put more strong hand types into stayman.

The disadvantage of that method is that you can't use stayman with a weak hand with 5-5 in the majors (or with 45 for that matter).
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Posted 2016-August-01, 01:24

For me, Stayman followed by 2 over a 2 response is weak and this shape (admittedly, this is in a weak NT context). So I bid Stayman.

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Posted 2016-August-01, 10:34

To my way of thinking, the then Major sequences have to be weak or invitational, as when GF you can do other things such as rebid at the 3+level, so the question is which is more useful? In terms of frequency, the weak option will be wanted more often, and I would chose that. At IMPs you may not want to miss a game, so you might choose invitational.

The answer of course, is to have a 2-point range NT, and then you do not need any invitational bids and bidding is so much easier. The related question, then, is then bid with 55xx or 45xx ?

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Posted 2016-August-01, 10:59

IMO playing garbage stayman where bidding 2M over a 2 response to play is very valuable, more frequent and flexible ie when you catch partner with 2 spades and 4 hearts it is almost always worth a trick to play in hearts.

It's also a clear choice in a partnership (like mine) that can open 1nt with a 5-card heart suit that often has no good rebid after 1-p-1.

If you switch to this style the first rule is that opener may NEVER bid anything but 2 after stayman with no major. They shouldn't anyway but I see it done often.
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Posted 2016-August-01, 14:09

Unless you have a specific agreement to show a weak hand over 1NT-2 -2 - ?, then just transfer.

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