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How to reach the optimal contract Seemingly misfit hand

#1 User is offline   twcho 

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Posted 2005-April-04, 00:09

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A hand played on BBO about 3 days ago. Our partnership only reached 3NT <_<
I browsed thru the hand record. Found that only one pair reach 7♣x and it is just by means of a blast. ;) One pair reached 7NTxx and of course North can't find the killing lead of D. :)

Is there any way to reach 7♣ by any of your favorite method?
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Posted 2005-April-04, 00:18

twcho, on Apr 4 2005, 06:09 AM, said:

Scoring: IMP

A hand played on BBO about 3 days ago. Our partnership only reached 3NT <_<
I browsed thru the hand record. Found that only one pair reach 7♣x and it is just by means of a blast. ;) One pair reached 7NTxx and of course North can't find the killing lead of D. :)

Is there any way to reach 7♣ by any of your favorite method?

I would be impressed with any non-relay pair who could confidently find this one.

It is always very difficult when you have a void in partner's best suit.

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Posted 2005-April-04, 00:30

1C 1D
1H 2S
4C 4N
5S 6C

would probably be my auction.
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Posted 2005-April-04, 02:00

Jlall, I guess you have started the bidding by East. It is West, who has long D, being the dealer. Will this affect your auction?
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Posted 2005-April-04, 02:03

twcho, on Apr 4 2005, 01:09 AM, said:

Dealer: West
Vul: E/W
Scoring: IMP
♠ A6
♥ AKJ
♦ KQ98742
♣ 4
♠ K7
♥ QT75
♦  
♣ AKQJT32
 

A hand played on BBO about 3 days ago. Our partnership only reached 3NT <_<
I browsed thru the hand record. Found that only one pair reach 7♣x and it is just by means of a blast. ;) One pair reached 7NTxx and of course North can't find the killing lead of D. :)

Is there any way to reach 7♣ by any of your favorite method?

Hi,

one possible auction maybe

1D - 3C (1)
3D - 4C (2)
4D (3) - 4S (4)
4NT (5) - 5S (6)
6C (7)

(1) Strong Jump Shift, Soloway
(2) Single Suited, Sets Trumps, Suit playable for 1 looser
opposite a void
(3) Cue Bid, Showing Slam Interest,
i.e. a controll rich opener
(4) 1st/2nd round controll
(5) RKCB
(6) 2 Keycards + Queen
(7) Sign off

Opener konws, that the Ace of Diamonds is
missing, and if he give responder a heart less
and a single diamond, or change the Queen
of heart to the Queen of Spade, you would not
want to there.

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Posted 2005-April-04, 03:14

I'd go with something like

1D 2C
3D 3H
3NT 4C
4NT 6NT?

4NT = misfit (not RKCB)
6NT = I would bid this, though I'm sure my regular pard would come up with some silly bid here that might drive us to 7C.. lol <_<
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Posted 2005-April-04, 03:39

whereagles, on Apr 4 2005, 10:14 AM, said:

I'd go with something like

1D 2C
3D 3H
3NT 4C
4NT 6NT?

4NT = misfit (not RKCB)
6NT = I would bid this, though I'm sure my regular pard would come up with some silly bid here that might drive us to 7C.. lol :)

Why 6NT and not 6♣? You may be able to establish the diamond suit with ruffs for heart discards. It's not like you expect partner with ♥AK, and not like you expect trump losers...
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Posted 2005-April-04, 03:54

6NT is more frightening for opps :) Well, ok. I missed 6C which is probably a better bid :)
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Posted 2005-April-04, 06:08

twcho, on Apr 4 2005, 06:09 AM, said:

Is there any way to reach 7♣ by any of your favorite method?

SImply no because my start would either be 1♦-2♣-3♦ or 1♦-2♣-2♥. So my best possible contract is 7♥ (and not after a good bidding).
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Posted 2005-April-04, 10:37

Awkward hand. With West dealer:

2♣ - 2N
3♦ - 4♣
4♦ - 6♣
6N - Pass

2♣ = 4-5 losers, 5+ controls
2N = 4 controls

After 6♣, responder is marked with a solid club suit, and the outside card must be the K♠, so 6N looks golden. I can't diagnose the dimond void here.
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Posted 2005-April-04, 10:45

sorry...retarded...if the auction starts with west then

1D 2C
2D 3C
3D 3H
3N 4C
4H 4S
5N 6C

3N a distinct underbid but it looks like a misfit at that point.
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Posted 2005-April-04, 10:50

With my f2f partner:

1♣ - 1♠
1NT - 2♥
2♠ - 4♣
4♦ - 4NT
5♣ - 5♦
5♥ - 6♦
7♣

West only bids relays (except 1♣ = 15+ any, and 4♦ end signal in case responder is minimum)
1♠ shows GF with 4+♥
2♥ shows exactly 4♥ and 5+♣
4♣ shows a 2-4-0-7
4NT shows 10 SlamPoints
5♦ shows 0 or 3 tophonours ♣
6♦ shows exactly 1 tophonour ♥, 1 or 2 tophonours ♠ and ♣J

So opener can construct responder's hand:
Kx
Qxxx
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AKQJxxx
and easily bid 7♣
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Posted 2005-April-04, 11:53

with my regular p, assuming ideal conditions (ie, me sober, him concentrating):

1♦ - artificial 16+
2NT - suit specific point count ask, starts with ♣ by default
3♣ - 0-3 hcp (denies void)
3♦ - asks ♦ hcp
3♠ - 4-6 hcp
4♣ - asks ♥ hcp
4♠ - 7-9 hcp
4NT* - 5♥ * straight blackwood from here on
5NT - 6♥
7♣
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Posted 2005-April-04, 14:57

scoob, on Apr 4 2005, 12:53 PM, said:

with my regular p, assuming ideal conditions (ie, me sober, him concentrating):

1♦ - artificial 16+
2NT - suit specific point count ask, starts with ♣ by default
3♣ - 0-3 hcp (denies void)
3♦ - asks ♦ hcp
3♠ - 4-6 hcp
4♣ - asks ♥ hcp
4♠ - 7-9 hcp
4NT* - 5♥ * straight blackwood from here on
5NT - 6♥
7♣

Hehe i think you wrote this post drunk too:)))
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Posted 2005-April-04, 16:12

scoob, on Apr 4 2005, 06:53 PM, said:

with my regular p, assuming ideal conditions (ie, me sober, him concentrating):

1♦ - artificial 16+
2NT - suit specific point count ask, starts with ♣ by default
3♣ - 0-3 hcp (denies void)
3♦ - asks ♦ hcp
3♠ - 4-6 hcp
4♣ - asks ♥ hcp
4♠ - 7-9 hcp
4NT* - 5♥ * straight blackwood from here on
5NT - 6♥
7♣

How do you know partner has ♥J?
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Posted 2005-April-04, 17:08

twcho, on Apr 4 2005, 12:09 AM, said:

Dealer: West
Vul: E/W
Scoring: IMP
♠ A6
♥ AKJ
♦ KQ98742
♣ 4
♠ K7
♥ QT75
♦  
♣ AKQJT32
 

mike knows weiss better than i do, so he can weigh in if it's wrong

2♦ : 2NT - ogust
3♠ : 4♥ - good/good : cab
5♥ : 5♠ - A,K or A,Q : cab
6♦ : 7♣ - Ax(x) : good luck partner

strangely enough, it looks more difficult (to me) if opener starts with 1♣ (which he might judge to do)
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Posted 2005-April-05, 06:48

Free, on Apr 4 2005, 04:12 PM, said:

scoob, on Apr 4 2005, 06:53 PM, said:

with my regular p, assuming ideal conditions (ie, me sober, him concentrating):

1♦ - artificial 16+
2NT - suit specific point count ask, starts with ♣ by default
3♣ - 0-3 hcp (denies void)
3♦ - asks ♦ hcp
3♠ - 4-6 hcp
4♣ - asks ♥ hcp
4♠ - 7-9 hcp
4NT* - 5♥  * straight blackwood from here on
5NT - 6♥
7♣

How do you know partner has ♥J?

i don't. i never said i'd bid it expecting to make. i don't know where the missing ace is at any point. ideal includes getting disgustingly lucky.

and as you witnessed yesterday, if it's my p running this auction we probably play 6NT anyway lol
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Posted 2005-April-05, 07:48

If you really want to know...

Pass 0-8 or 16+ - 1♣ 9-14 bal. or 16+
2♦ 6+♦ - 2♥ relay
3NT (2371) - 4♣ crash
4NT 2 Aces ♥♠ or ♣♦ - 5♣ crash
5♠ 2 Kings ♦♥ or ♣♠ - 5NT crash
6♦ 1 Queen - 7♣ can discard ♥ on ♦Q if ♥ dont work.
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