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Auction after reverse How would you bid these two hands?

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Posted 2005-April-04, 05:38

hotShot, on Apr 3 2005, 09:46 AM, said:

In that case I can see no reason why responder did not bid 4♠ cue instead of 4NT. He may not hide his ♠ control.

Just because he thinks he has everything except key cards (actually ♠Q may be missing if partner has exactly 3415, but then ♣ should also have a hole for having a loser).
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Posted 2005-April-04, 05:41

Jlall, on Apr 3 2005, 05:27 AM, said:

In my opinion the third bid should be shape showing. So 3S would show 3 spades. This simplifies things.

Would you bid 3NT then with 2425 and 20 HCP?, it looks great, but chances of missunderstanding would frighten me.

Of course arguing that 4♦ gets you too high is also arguable, but I wouldn't trust mysefl saying that, since it is rather obvious that a 3♠ bid showing 3♠ leaves you on the better position of all.
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Posted 2005-April-04, 06:00

Elianna, on Apr 4 2005, 01:08 AM, said:

Again, if one read the posts between Hotshot and myself, one would know that 6♠ is not natural, it should show ♠K (and obviously a hand willing to bypass 6♥).

actually following your reasoning it shows ♥Q, ♠K and the lack of ♣K, and if you think it for more than 2 seconds you will realice 2 things:

Forcing to play in 7 with ♣K missing is ridioulous.
If you are gonna force to play 7, you don't need more than 1 bid to show it: 7♥.



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I take exception to characterizing 6♥ as lazy, it is responding to partner's question.  I know that many people on the boards like masterminding the auction, but some people like cooperating with partners.


For partner to ask for ♥Q going beyond the 5 level, he must only have been missing that key card, it is rather obvious you will win 7♠ as long as the ♣ suit provides enough discards for the third, 4th and maybe 5th ♥, at the 7 level you should never be lazy responder, but have a think of what is going on.

A quick example:

♠AKx
♥xx
♦xx
♣KQJxxx

1♠-2♣
2♥-2♠
3♣-4♣
4NT-5♥
5NT-????

Regardless f what system you play, 5NT is a grand slam try, therefore partner has to not be missing any ace nor ♠Q, if you don't bid 7NT with these cards partner might not play again with you.
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Posted 2005-April-13, 16:00

Opener = AQx AKxx K KQJxx
Responder = Kxxxxx xxxx Ax A

The excess q-bidding confused the auction. Opener takes control early because 1) Opener is VERY strong (4-loser hand), 2) Opener knows about the club suit, and 3) Opener can see partnership assets. Once opener hears the heart raise, opener has 1st or 2nd in all suits and does not need any q-bidding. So opener can jump directly to RKCB.

My suggested auction:

1C 1S
2H 3H
4S 5D
5S 5N
7N

3H = GF, 4+hearts, 5+spades
4S = Kickback for hearts
5D = 2, no QH
5S = specific king ask
5N = KS is cheapest king
7N = I can count 13 tricks 3s+2h+2d+5c + extra s, h, d, or squeeze
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Posted 2005-April-13, 16:04

One more comment: Seems to me you should be able to find the grands when you have all 4 aces and all 4 kings and 15 tricks.
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