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5S4H in Keri Howto bid 5S4H in Keri?

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Posted 2005-March-30, 07:23

Hi,

Can anyone tell me how to bid a GF hand with 5♠ and 4♥ after a 1NT opening playing Keri (original or revised)?

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Posted 2005-March-30, 07:32

1NT 2D
2H 3S

Shows 5S and 4H gf
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Posted 2005-March-30, 07:49

I thought it was the other way around, with 1NT 2H 2S 3H being 5-4 or 5-5 GF, and 1NT 2D 2H 3S being 4-5
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Posted 2005-March-30, 07:56

In the book version, you transfer to the 5-card suit and bid 3 in the 4-card suit. Dunno about the revised version.
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Posted 2005-March-30, 08:19

The_Hog, on Mar 30 2005, 08:32 AM, said:

1NT 2D
2H 3S

Shows 5S and 4H gf

That seems the way to show 4♠ and 5♥...
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Posted 2005-March-30, 08:21

whereagles, on Mar 30 2005, 08:56 AM, said:

In the book version, you transfer to the 5-card suit and bid 3 in the 4-card suit. Dunno about the revised version.

Is there no way to distinguish 5♠4♥ from 5♠5♥ then?
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Posted 2005-March-30, 10:02

lowerline, on Mar 30 2005, 06:19 AM, said:

The_Hog, on Mar 30 2005, 08:32 AM, said:

1NT 2D
2H   3S

Shows 5S and 4H gf

That seems the way to show 4♠ and 5♥...

I don't think this is right.

1N - 2♣ - 2♦ - 2♥ shows 4 - 5♥'s and possibly 4♠'s and is invitational.

1N - 2♦ - 2♥ - 2♠ shows 4 ♥'s and equal or longer spades and is invitational.

1N - 2♥ - 2♠ - 3♥ shows 5+ ♠'s and 4+ ♥'s and is GF. Only a rebid of the minor promises a 5+ - 5+.

1N - 2♦ - 2♥ - 3♠ shows 5+ ♥ and 4♠'s.
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Posted 2005-March-30, 10:09

In the version of resivised keri given by Ron you transfer to the 5 card first then bid your 4 card at the 3 level. Maybe there have been a change since Ron is given a different answer here. This is what you do with GF. With invite 5+4+ if i understand right, you bid 1nt-2d-2h-2s with 5♠4/5♥ while with 5♥4♠ you should use 1nt-2c-2d-2h. (this isnt writen there but this is how i iterpreted it)
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Posted 2005-March-30, 14:39

pclayton is right I believe. Page 41 of the original book version. It is not clear to me what to do with a g/f 5-5 in the majors other than bid this way and rebid hearts.
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Posted 2005-March-30, 16:30

The book version has changed. Ron (Klinger) and Bruce Neill have revised it.

5/5 shapes are shown by
1N 2H
2S 4H
This is the only sequence that is not an autosplinter.

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Posted 2005-April-01, 05:35

The_Hog, on Mar 30 2005, 05:30 PM, said:

The book version has changed. Ron (Klinger) and Bruce Neill have revised it.

5/5 shapes are shown by
1N 2H
2S 4H
This is the only sequence that is not an autosplinter.

Ron

Has the revised Keri been published yet?
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