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#1 User is offline   biggerclub 

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Posted 2015-November-03, 19:41

1♦ - 1♥
2♦ - 3♦


1♦ - 1♥
3♦ - 3♥

1♣ - 1♠
2♣ - 2♥

1♣ - 1♥
1♠ - 3♣ (Here you can pretend you play 4SGF)

1♦ - 1♠
2NT - 3♦/3♠
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Posted 2015-November-03, 20:22

1. preemptive or inv depending on who I'm sitting opposite (as in how old school I think they are)
2. GF
3. not sure, I've played a 2♦ enquiry here for so long I've forgotten
4. inv
5. again not sure, have played a GF 2N here for too long

Edit: 5: what 3♠ is may depend what 1♦-2♠ is, if WJS then it should be forcing
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Posted 2015-November-03, 22:41

1) Old-fashioned courtesy raise - about 9-10 SP. Partner could be as big as 16-17.
2) GF
3) NF. To Force, bid 2♦ artificial. (see 3rd suit forcing).
4) Inv.
5) Wolff: 3♦ is NMF. 3♠ is GF Good suit.
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Posted 2015-November-04, 02:43

Plagiating Cyberyeti as I am lazy:

1. inv (yeah I am old scool :) )
2. GF
3. Forcing is standard but you can play it as weak with the good hands going through 2♦
4. inv
5. Probably forcing. You can play that there is no way to sign off in a partscore or you can play that all weak hands bid 3♣ (Woolf). You can of course also play these as weak and 3♣ as the forcing relay but that is not common.
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Posted 2015-November-04, 06:29

1. Invitational
2. Game Force
3. Forcing for one round
4. Invitational
5. In my favourite partnership 2NT (19-20) is game forcing
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Posted 2015-November-04, 06:39

1-
Here there are 3 options :
1)- 1-2-3 stop,so it is a preempt ,sign off.
2)- inv
3)- On some forum,it also is defined as forcing a round.

2-GF with 5+♥.

3-
Here there are 2 option :
1)- if rebid-2♦ is GF,rebid-2♥ is non-forcing.
2)- new suit is forcing.

4-
Here there are 2 option :
1)- inv
2)- preempt raise ♣,so it is sign off,not forcing.

5- it is a natural bid,not forcing,sign off.
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Posted 2015-November-04, 06:43

View Postbiggerclub, on 2015-November-03, 19:41, said:

1♦ - 1♥
2♦ - 3♦

invitational.

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1♦ - 1♥
3♦ - 3♥

forcing (are the first two just training questions?). 4♦ by opener here is not forcing.

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1♣ - 1♠
2♣ - 2♥

forcing, could be invitational.

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1♣ - 1♥
1♠ - 3♣ (Here you can pretend you play 4SGF)

invitational.

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1♦ - 1♠
2NT - 3♦/3♠

3♦ non-forcing, 3♠ forcing. I really really would try to have an agreement here though. Without one I would assume 3♣ to be checkback. I would take 1♣-1M; 2NT-3♣♦ both as checkback when undiscussed for safety.
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Posted 2015-November-04, 07:09

View PostSteveMoe, on 2015-November-03, 22:41, said:

3) NF. To Force, bid 2♦ artificial. (see 3rd suit forcing).

Of course, we can use our own pet systems. Mine:
"3) GF (quite obviously). If we would have less, we would have used Reverse Flannery the round before."

I think it would help the OP more give the meaning in common standard systems. And this is a sequence that standard systems deal with in different ways:

In some systems (e.g. Acol) this sequence is non forcing. In other systems (e.g. SA) this sequence is forcing for one round (after an opening of 1 of a suit, any new suit by responder is forcing).

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Posted 2015-November-04, 07:23

View Postbiggerclub, on 2015-November-03, 19:41, said:

1♦ - 1♥
2♦ - 3♦

Invitational

View Postbiggerclub, on 2015-November-03, 19:41, said:

1♦ - 1♥
3♦ - 3♥

Game Forcing

View Postbiggerclub, on 2015-November-03, 19:41, said:

1♣ - 1♠
2♣ - 2♥

Weak, Forcing 1 or GF depending on agreements. Forcing one unless agreed otherwise.

View Postbiggerclub, on 2015-November-03, 19:41, said:

1♣ - 1♥
1♠ - 3♣ (Here you can pretend you play 4SGF)

This was Invitational in standard, But now it is Game Forcing if playing XYZ (2 way checkback)

View Postbiggerclub, on 2015-November-03, 19:41, said:

1♦ - 1♠
2NT - 3♦/3♠

Everything except pass is Game Forcing unless specifically agreed otherwise.
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Posted 2015-November-04, 07:40

What Helene wrote except that I would add the possibility of transfer rebids to #5.
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Posted 2015-November-04, 07:58

View PostFluffy, on 2015-November-04, 07:23, said:

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1♣ -1♥
1♠ - 3♣



This was Invitational in standard, But now it is Game Forcing if playing XYZ (2 way checkback)


For me :
1- If not play XYZ,not play 2-way checkback :
3♣= inv
But the sequences is not same with this,for example,it goes :
1♣ -1♦
1♠-3♣
3♣=GF with ♣ fit

2- If play XYZ and 2-way stayman :
It depends on the different agreements.
1)- If 2N over 1♠ is relay to 3♣,3♣ is a slam try in ♣ .
2)- If 2N over 1♠ is inv,3♣ would be sign off,preempt,non-forcing.
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Posted 2015-November-04, 08:07

View Postgwnn, on 2015-November-04, 06:43, said:

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1♦-1♥
3♦-3♥



forcing (are the first two just training questions?). 4♦ by opener here is not forcing.

Excuse me for my poor English.
I don't understand what you said about 4♦.
Does it refer to 1♦-1♥-3♦-3♥-4♦? or 1♦-1♥-4♦?
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Posted 2015-November-04, 08:18

I meant the first one. I'm sorry, I could have been clearer, it's not about your English but about mine. Maybe I'm being a bit idiosyncratic with 4D=NF, I don't know. I think responder should be allowed to pass 4D (=unsuitable for 3NT or 4H, i.e. worst possible hand in context) because opener is quite narrowly limited.
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Posted 2015-November-04, 08:28

Gwnn,np,np.
Yes,I agree rebid-4♦ after 3♥ is non-forcing because of narrowly limited and often without ♥ fit.
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Posted 2015-November-04, 08:40

My experience is: (with my confidence in brackets)

1) Invitational. (100%)

2) Forcing. (100%)

3) Forcing. (100%)

4) Invitational. (100%)

5) 3D = Unclear. 3S = Forcing. Without agreements I wouldn't pass either.
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Posted 2015-November-04, 09:24

View Posthelene_t, on 2015-November-04, 02:43, said:

Plagiating Cyberyeti as I am lazy:

1. inv (yeah I am old school :) )
2. GF
3. Forcing is standard but you can play it as weak with the good hands going through 2♦
4. inv
5. Probably forcing. You can play that there is no way to sign off in a partscore or you can play that all weak hands bid 3♣ (Woolf). You can of course also play these as weak and 3♣ as the forcing relay but that is not common.


I agree with all of this but for

5. We play that all GF go through 3♣ and these are to play.

I have no idea if that's REALLY old school or just our agreement to survive with some of the trash we respond with.
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Posted 2015-November-04, 09:47

View Postbiggerclub, on 2015-November-03, 19:41, said:

1♦ - 1♥
2♦ - 3♦


1♦ - 1♥
3♦ - 3♥

1♣ - 1♠
2♣ - 2♥

1♣ - 1♥
1♠ - 3♣ (Here you can pretend you play 4SGF)

1♦ - 1♠
2NT - 3♦/3♠


non forcing
forcing
forcing
non forcing
forcing
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Posted 2015-November-04, 10:59

View Postggwhiz, on 2015-November-04, 09:24, said:

I agree with all of this but for

5. We play that all GF go through 3♣ and these are to play.

I have no idea if that's REALLY old school or just our agreement to survive with some of the trash we respond with.


Agree with all, including Helene's 1-4.
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