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#1
Posted 2015-November-03, 19:41
2♦ - 3♦
1♦ - 1♥
3♦ - 3♥
1♣ - 1♠
2♣ - 2♥
1♣ - 1♥
1♠ - 3♣ (Here you can pretend you play 4SGF)
1♦ - 1♠
2NT - 3♦/3♠
#2
Posted 2015-November-03, 20:22
2. GF
3. not sure, I've played a 2♦ enquiry here for so long I've forgotten
4. inv
5. again not sure, have played a GF 2N here for too long
Edit: 5: what 3♠ is may depend what 1♦-2♠ is, if WJS then it should be forcing
#3
Posted 2015-November-03, 22:41
2) GF
3) NF. To Force, bid 2♦ artificial. (see 3rd suit forcing).
4) Inv.
5) Wolff: 3♦ is NMF. 3♠ is GF Good suit.
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#4
Posted 2015-November-04, 02:43
1. inv (yeah I am old scool
2. GF
3. Forcing is standard but you can play it as weak with the good hands going through 2♦
4. inv
5. Probably forcing. You can play that there is no way to sign off in a partscore or you can play that all weak hands bid 3♣ (Woolf). You can of course also play these as weak and 3♣ as the forcing relay but that is not common.
#5
Posted 2015-November-04, 06:29
2. Game Force
3. Forcing for one round
4. Invitational
5. In my favourite partnership 2NT (19-20) is game forcing
#6
Posted 2015-November-04, 06:39
Here there are 3 options :
1)- 1-2-3 stop,so it is a preempt ,sign off.
2)- inv
3)- On some forum,it also is defined as forcing a round.
2-GF with 5+♥.
3-
Here there are 2 option :
1)- if rebid-2♦ is GF,rebid-2♥ is non-forcing.
2)- new suit is forcing.
4-
Here there are 2 option :
1)- inv
2)- preempt raise ♣,so it is sign off,not forcing.
5- it is a natural bid,not forcing,sign off.
#7
Posted 2015-November-04, 06:43
biggerclub, on 2015-November-03, 19:41, said:
2♦ - 3♦
invitational.
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3♦ - 3♥
forcing (are the first two just training questions?). 4♦ by opener here is not forcing.
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2♣ - 2♥
forcing, could be invitational.
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1♣ - 1♥
1♠ - 3♣ (Here you can pretend you play 4SGF)
invitational.
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2NT - 3♦/3♠
3♦ non-forcing, 3♠ forcing. I really really would try to have an agreement here though. Without one I would assume 3♣ to be checkback. I would take 1♣-1M; 2NT-3♣♦ both as checkback when undiscussed for safety.
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#8
Posted 2015-November-04, 07:09
SteveMoe, on 2015-November-03, 22:41, said:
Of course, we can use our own pet systems. Mine:
"3) GF (quite obviously). If we would have less, we would have used Reverse Flannery the round before."
I think it would help the OP more give the meaning in common standard systems. And this is a sequence that standard systems deal with in different ways:
In some systems (e.g. Acol) this sequence is non forcing. In other systems (e.g. SA) this sequence is forcing for one round (after an opening of 1 of a suit, any new suit by responder is forcing).
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#9
Posted 2015-November-04, 07:23
biggerclub, on 2015-November-03, 19:41, said:
2♦ - 3♦
Invitational
biggerclub, on 2015-November-03, 19:41, said:
3♦ - 3♥
Game Forcing
biggerclub, on 2015-November-03, 19:41, said:
2♣ - 2♥
Weak, Forcing 1 or GF depending on agreements. Forcing one unless agreed otherwise.
biggerclub, on 2015-November-03, 19:41, said:
1♠ - 3♣ (Here you can pretend you play 4SGF)
This was Invitational in standard, But now it is Game Forcing if playing XYZ (2 way checkback)
biggerclub, on 2015-November-03, 19:41, said:
2NT - 3♦/3♠
Everything except pass is Game Forcing unless specifically agreed otherwise.
#10
Posted 2015-November-04, 07:40
#11
Posted 2015-November-04, 07:58
Fluffy, on 2015-November-04, 07:23, said:
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1♣ -1♥
1♠ - 3♣
This was Invitational in standard, But now it is Game Forcing if playing XYZ (2 way checkback)
For me :
1- If not play XYZ,not play 2-way checkback :
3♣= inv
But the sequences is not same with this,for example,it goes :
1♣ -1♦
1♠-3♣
3♣=GF with ♣ fit
2- If play XYZ and 2-way stayman :
It depends on the different agreements.
1)- If 2N over 1♠ is relay to 3♣,3♣ is a slam try in ♣ .
2)- If 2N over 1♠ is inv,3♣ would be sign off,preempt,non-forcing.
#13
Posted 2015-November-04, 08:18
George Carlin
#14
Posted 2015-November-04, 08:28
Yes,I agree rebid-4♦ after 3♥ is non-forcing because of narrowly limited and often without ♥ fit.
#15
Posted 2015-November-04, 08:40
1) Invitational. (100%)
2) Forcing. (100%)
3) Forcing. (100%)
4) Invitational. (100%)
5) 3D = Unclear. 3S = Forcing. Without agreements I wouldn't pass either.
#16
Posted 2015-November-04, 09:24
helene_t, on 2015-November-04, 02:43, said:
1. inv (yeah I am old school
2. GF
3. Forcing is standard but you can play it as weak with the good hands going through 2♦
4. inv
5. Probably forcing. You can play that there is no way to sign off in a partscore or you can play that all weak hands bid 3♣ (Woolf). You can of course also play these as weak and 3♣ as the forcing relay but that is not common.
I agree with all of this but for
5. We play that all GF go through 3♣ and these are to play.
I have no idea if that's REALLY old school or just our agreement to survive with some of the trash we respond with.
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#18
Posted 2015-November-04, 10:59
ggwhiz, on 2015-November-04, 09:24, said:
5. We play that all GF go through 3♣ and these are to play.
I have no idea if that's REALLY old school or just our agreement to survive with some of the trash we respond with.
Agree with all, including Helene's 1-4.

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