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The pass by responder over 2♦ was slow.
Given the subsequent bid of 2♠ is there any unauthorised information contained in the slow pass that might constrain opener's 3♠ bid?
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Just an auction. What if any is the UI?
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Posted 2015-October-18, 20:43
I wasn't sure here if the earlier UI was duplicated by the subsequent AI.
The pass by responder over 2♦ was slow.
Given the subsequent bid of 2♠ is there any unauthorised information contained in the slow pass that might constrain opener's 3♠ bid?
The pass by responder over 2♦ was slow.
Given the subsequent bid of 2♠ is there any unauthorised information contained in the slow pass that might constrain opener's 3♠ bid?
Wayne Burrows
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Posted 2015-October-18, 23:10
This boils down to the question "what information was conveyed by the break in tempo?" I think the answer is that South was considering bidding on. When he later reopens, that tells you more - he was considering bidding spades. But the BIT didn't convey anything not included in that, so I think North can bid 3♠ if he wants to do so.
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Posted 2015-October-19, 06:32
The break in tempo tells North that South didn't quite have enough to bid 1♠ - 2♠, and a bit more than enough for 1♠ - pass in tempo - 2♠, so I think there is UI, but not a lot of it.
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Posted 2015-October-19, 07:50
VixTD, on 2015-October-19, 06:32, said:
The break in tempo tells North that South didn't quite have enough to bid 1♠ - 2♠, and a bit more than enough for 1♠ - pass in tempo - 2♠, so I think there is UI, but not a lot of it.
I am inclined to agree. Nevertheless if that is correct that UI would suggest bidding 3♠ to north over pass as you are now at the top end (in some sense) of 2♠ or the bottom end of 2♠ a round earlier and had misjudged. Is that conclusion correct?
Wayne Burrows
I believe that the USA currently hold only the World Championship For People Who Still Bid Like Your Auntie Gladys - dburn
dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
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dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
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Posted 2015-October-19, 07:57
It seems the UI could demonstrably suggest NOT bidding 3♠. Yet, opener did so. It wouldn't occur to me to even think about calling for a ruling.
My read is that with 6 Spades responder would have bid 2S on the previous round and the UI suggests he only has five, and Diamond shortness.
My read is that with 6 Spades responder would have bid 2S on the previous round and the UI suggests he only has five, and Diamond shortness.
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Posted 2015-October-19, 12:13
aguahombre, on 2015-October-19, 07:57, said:
It seems the UI could demonstrably suggest NOT bidding 3♠. Yet, opener did so. It wouldn't occur to me to even think about calling for a ruling.
My read is that with 6 Spades responder would have bid 2S on the previous round and the UI suggests he only has five, and Diamond shortness.
My read is that with 6 Spades responder would have bid 2S on the previous round and the UI suggests he only has five, and Diamond shortness.
Why would someone jump in to a potential misfit auction with only five spades and no diamond tolerance?
Its possible the UI suggests not bidding 3♠. I would like to hear the arguments.
Wayne Burrows
I believe that the USA currently hold only the World Championship For People Who Still Bid Like Your Auntie Gladys - dburn
dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
Bidding is an estimation of probabilities SJ Simon
I believe that the USA currently hold only the World Championship For People Who Still Bid Like Your Auntie Gladys - dburn
dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
Bidding is an estimation of probabilities SJ Simon
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