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Has U.S. Democracy Been Trumped? Bernie Sanders wants to know who owns America?

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Posted Yesterday, 09:13

We voted already, but I was pleased to see how organized the Democrats are in pushing the turnout. I got emails encouraging me to get my ballot early and then emails after I got my ballot reminding me to return it right away. (I expect that the emails asking for more money will soon stop coming.)
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Posted Yesterday, 09:48

View Postkenberg, on 2024-October-30, 08:52, said:

It is hardly news to say that this is a very unusual election but still I will comment.

It appears that a fair sized proportion of the folks who plan to vote for Trump agree that he is an awful person, they just feel that he will have good policies. "Yes, he is a rat but he is my rat". Usually, voters claim that the person they support is not a rat. It took a while, but eventually after the Watergate hearings Nixon supporters actually stopped supporting him.

It is a bad idea to elect a rat to be our president. Rats are rats, and they do not help anyone. Al Capone did more harm than good, even if he did provide whiskey to his supporters. In the long run, a rat hurts just about everyone.

I am hoping that enough people rethink rat support before they cast their ballot. We shall see.


I had an enlightening email discussion with my cousin in Arkansas the other day. She said that although she didn't support Trump her views were consistent with the Republican ideas and so she should vote the party line.

This, then, IS the problem, that Republicans think that their party is still the party of Reagan and Bush. They don't realize that the Republican party did not produce a platform at their convention, that their only platform is retribution and power seeking. I don't know how to overcome this ignorance (note, I said ignorance, not stupidity. ignornoace is a lack of knowing, not a criticism of intelligence.)

PS: I voted early today for what that's worth here in ruby red Oklahoma. Still, it felt good to see Harris-Walz on the ballot.
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Posted Yesterday, 15:24

What Trump says on Thursday has little if anything to do with what he will say on Friday, and neither has anything at all to do with what actions he will take if elected. Yes, some of that is true of all politicinans, perhaps of all people, but Trump is a truly extreme case. I am not one who asks for miracles, but we are in serious need of one.
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Posted Today, 10:23

View PostWinstonm, on 2024-October-31, 09:48, said:

This, then, IS the problem, that Republicans think that their party is still the party of Reagan and Bush. They don't realize that the Republican party did not produce a platform at their convention, that their only platform is retribution and power seeking. I don't know how to overcome this ignorance (note, I said ignorance, not stupidity. ignornoace is a lack of knowing, not a criticism of intelligence.)

Is it ignorance, or just wishful thinking?

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Posted Today, 10:25

Ok, the campaign is still in progress. WaPo cites the latest remarks from DT.

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"His daughter is a very dumb individual, very dumb," Trump said. "She's a radical war hawk. Let's put her with a rifle standing there with nine barrels shooting at her, okay? Let's see how she feels about it. You know, when the guns are trained on her face."


I suppose he said it. With anyone else , we could think he is being misquoted. With Trump, no, he said it.

I am more conservative, or maybe just more traditional, than some posters here. But Trump? Really? He is not a conservative. He is not a friend of the working man. He is going to protect women even if they do not want to be protected in the manner that he envisions protecting them? Such as pointng guns at Liz Cheney's face?

Please, please, please. Can we please not elect this guy? We will all regret it. Yeah, yeah, time is about up. But please. I just say please.
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