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Has U.S. Democracy Been Trumped? Bernie Sanders wants to know who owns America?

#12141 User is offline   johnu 

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Posted 2019-February-16, 17:08

View Postandrei, on 2019-February-16, 11:13, said:

OMG.

Since JB's political opinions are well known, I thought it's evident that the LOL part is the "a friend sat next to him on a plane" (which is obviously true, right?).

Intelligence is not your strongest suit, is it?
I am only asking for a friend.

OMG, apparently you have never heard of coincidences? If somebody like Titus has hundreds or maybe thousands of friends and sources, and some of them fly dozens of times a year, there's a non-zero chance that one of them has flown next to John Brennan at some point. Especially if they have some connection to the media or entertainment world where they might be flying several times a week.

What ridiculous thing are you trying to say? That John Brennan never flies in an airplane? That if he flies, he never sits next to anybody? That he never talks to anybody on a plane? That there are no coincidences?

Or maybe you think Titus is like Dennison who lies about everything, big things, small things, things that are totally irrelevant and are easily fact checked and proven to be false? Why would Titus need to lie about a little thing about Brennan when there are so many negative things about Dennison out there that we need a 48 or 72 hour day to barely cover all of them before another news cycle begins.

You have some crazy conspiracy things going on in your head and should get some professional help.

BTW, I missed your comments on how Dennison won the last appropriations bill battle and got 5.7 billion for his wall.
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Posted 2019-February-16, 17:44

View Postrmnka447, on 2019-February-16, 11:54, said:

Well, if the collusion claims are such a slam dunk, then maybe someone should put real evidence of it out there.

Sadly, Brennan sounds like he's parroting his buddy shifty Rep. Adam Schiff who claimed there was plenty of evidence of collusion a year or two ago but that he couldn't share it with us. Now that he's Chair of the House Intelligence Committee, he's said that they must move past the Russian investigation and investigate Trump's finances.

Like the famous campaign quip from either the '84 or '88 election parodying an Arby's ad, Cora's asking "Where's the beef?" It seems like all we've been getting for a couple is a lot of smoke and little barbecue.

Do you have any clue what Mueller has found besides what has come out in multiple indictments against Dennison cronies? Of course you don't, because apparently nobody except Mueller's team knows. The leading newspapers and TV news organizations continue to be surprised at what comes out in court documents that Mueller's team files, and they have spent tens of thousands of hours on their own investigations.

Nobody expect them to know what Mueller knows because they don't have subpoena power, grand juries, and the ability to make sentencing deals with people who might be indicted. If you follow reputable news sources, you'll know about as much as anybody in the general public. If you follow Fox Propaganda, you'll know considerably less than the average citizen because Fox doesn't like to push bad news about Dennison. Just repeat Dennison, "No Collusion, No Collusion".

As far as putting out all the information gathered so far, Dennison and his lawyers would love to peek at some of that so they could try to further obstruct justice by coordinating with potential witnesses and waging a press campaign to discredit anything and everything.

As far as the House, they are reopening the Russia investigation(s) which should make you very happy. I'm not sure what comment by Schiff you are referring to, but investigating Dennison's finances are one of they keys to seeing why Dennison has been a Russian puppet for the last 2+ years.

One example. How did Dennison get repeated mega million dollar loans from Deutsche bank when other banks were refusing to do business with him, and what were the terms of those loans. As I am sure you already know this since you have studied this area extensively, but for the benefit of "others", Deutsche Bank is under investigation for laundering money for Putin connected oligarchs in Russia.

To spell it out.

Laundered money from Russia oligarchs >> Deutsche Bank >> Dennison >> Make nice with Russia


Is that clear enough for you?
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Posted 2019-February-16, 17:58

View PostChas_P, on 2019-February-14, 20:00, said:



So your contention is that support for President Trump's Individual-1 is directly proportional to how much light white is reflected from his supporters skin feel? Please elaborate.


Yes.
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Posted 2019-February-16, 20:32

I would say unbelievable but that word no longer means what I think it means:

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Inevitably, the book includes disturbing new detail about Trump’s subservience to Russian President Vladimir Putin. During an Oval Office briefing in July 2017, Trump refused to believe U.S. intelligence reports that North Korea had test-fired an intercontinental ballistic missile — a test that Kim Jong Un had called a Fourth of July “gift” to “the arrogant Americans.”

Trump dismissed the missile launch as a “hoax,” McCabe writes. “He thought that North Korea did not have the capability to launch such missiles. He said he knew this because Vladimir Putin had told him so.”

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Posted 2019-February-17, 11:34

This fits in well with my hypothesis that Individual-1 hates Obama so much he will do virtually anything to discredit him - including trying to win a Nobel Prize - like Obama did.

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TOKYO (Reuters) - Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe nominated U.S. President Donald Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize last autumn after receiving a request from the U.S. government to do so, the Asahi newspaper reported on Sunday
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Posted 2019-February-17, 21:54

View Postjohnu, on 2019-February-16, 17:44, said:


To spell it out.

Laundered money from Russia oligarchs >> Deutsche Bank >> Dennison >> Make nice with Russia


Is that clear enough for you?


And the above "charge" is based on what evidence? Or is it wishful thinking because collusion which has been pushed by progressives for 2 years just isn't there?
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Posted 2019-February-17, 22:33

View Postrmnka447, on 2019-February-17, 21:54, said:

And the above "charge" is based on what evidence? Or is it wishful thinking because collusion which has been pushed by progressives for 2 years just isn't there?


You do, our course, understand that most white collar prosecutions are based on circumstantial evidence, right?
And that Manafort looks to be going away for life...
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Posted Yesterday, 04:26

View Postrmnka447, on 2019-February-17, 21:54, said:

And the above "charge" is based on what evidence? Or is it wishful thinking because collusion which has been pushed by progressives for 2 years just isn't there?

If you are going to attempt to be a useful poster, please make an effort to remember own posts. B-)

You were questioning why Adam Schiff wants to investigate Dennison's finances. I said Deutsche bank was just one example.

I'll leave it to you to do your own searches

Fact - Deutsche Bank has been fined for money laundering for Russian oligarchs
Fact - Other banks have refused to loan money to Dennison and his company because he refuses to pay back loans on time
Fact - Deutsche Bank loaned Dennison hundreds of millions of dollars
Fact - Deutsche Bank is still under investigation for money laundering
Fact - Dennison has refused to back up intelligence agencies of the USA, and parrots puppet master Putin.
Fact - Dennison has refused to implement sanctions on Russia and Russian oligarchs over 2016 election interference
Fact - Dennison has engaged in private talks with Putin without US representatives being present
Fact - Dennison lied about his involvement in planning of a Russian hotel, including a $50 million kickback to Putin
Fact - Dennison fired Comey over that Russian thing

I don't have to resort to "wishful" thinking. Please feel free to disagree with any of these facts after doing do diligence to investigate the truth.
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Posted Yesterday, 05:07

View Postjohnu, on 2019-February-18, 04:26, said:



Fact - Deutsche Bank has been fined for money laundering for Russian oligarchs
Fact - Other banks have refused to loan money to Dennison and his company because he refuses to pay back loans on time
Fact - Deutsche Bank loaned Dennison hundreds of millions of dollars
Fact - Deutsche Bank is still under investigation for money laundering



Its worth noting that Deutsche Bank has two branches.
The commercial banking side and the personal banking side.

All of the money laundering AND all of the commercial loans to Trump are out of the personal banking side...
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Posted Yesterday, 08:33

From Leslie Hook at FT:

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US economists led by former US Federal Reserve chair Janet Yellen are uniting in record numbers to back the idea of a carbon tax as the most effective and immediate way of tackling climate change.

At a time when Democrats including New York congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez are pushing a sweeping “Green New Deal” programme to reduce greenhouse emissions, climate change is shaping up to be a major 2020 election issue. The US is the world’s second-biggest emitter of carbon dioxide, behind China.

But Ms Yellen told the Financial Times the Green New Deal was costly, whereas the carbon tax, which would plough proceeds back to the public in dividend payments, would be the “most efficient way” to reduce emissions.

“Global climate change is a very serious problem and it calls for immediate national action,” she said. “If you were to start around $40 a ton and then raise this over time, by more than the rate of inflation, this would be a very effective way of reducing carbon emissions and would more than meet the Paris commitment.”

The carbon tax proposal, organised by the Climate Leadership Council, is a bipartisan effort that has united senior economists from both parties, and now garnered 3,300 signatures from professional economists and academics across the US.

That surpasses previous petitions across the US analysts’ community, such as the 1997 Economists’ Statement on Climate Change, which received 2,600 signatures, and the 1930 Economists Against Smoot-Hawley.

Ms Yellen said a carbon tax and dividend would be more “feasible” and “sensible” than the Green New Deal in its current form. “This is a plan that harnesses markets, it is much more efficient and less costly than methods proposed by the proponents of the Green New Deal,” she said. 

Under the terms outlined in the statement, which was first published a month ago, the revenue from a carbon tax would be redistributed to Americans on a per capita basis, which would disproportionately benefit the poorest households more. 

The proposal also envisages a carbon border tax that would impose a levy on carbon-intensive goods that enter the US from countries without a carbon price. 

Marty Feldstein, a prominent Republican economist and former chief economic adviser to Ronald Reagan, said that economists agreed that carbon emissions were a serious problem. 

“Our current method of trying to control carbon emissions by complex regulations is a bad idea, we think it is better to use a price mechanism to do it,” said Mr Feldstein, also one of the signatories. 

The chances of passing a carbon and tax and dividend under the current administration are viewed as extremely slim because of US President Donald Trump’s sceptical views on climate change, but the signatories say they hope the policy will gain momentum in future. 

“I’m not expecting progress on this during this administration,” said Ms Yellen. “My hope is that under a future administration, whether Democrat or Republican that there will be a call and a greater focus on doing something about climate change,” she added. 

Ms Yellen is an adviser at the Climate Leadership Council, which organised the proposal. The group is backed by large companies including ExxonMobil, BP, Shell, General Motors and Unilever, as well as environmental groups such as the Nature Conservancy and World Wildlife Fund. 

She said the plan was both environmentally ambitious and likely to attract business support. “Businesses I think, are able to get behind this because it is preferable for most businesses to have a predictable environment in which there are a set of prices . . . rather than have government regulations dictating what technologies must be used,” Ms Yellen said. 

The 3,300 signatories include former Treasury secretary Larry Summers, former Fed chair Ben Bernanke, former Clinton economic adviser Alan Blinder, and Christina Paxton, the president of Brown University.

The carbon tax has been criticised by environmentalists because it does not set a cap on total carbon emissions. But the idea has gained consensus as scattered carbon trading schemes around the world have struggled to dent emissions. 

Ted Halstead, founder of the Climate Leadership Council, said that returning the proceeds of a future carbon tax directly to households was important to help make the plan “small government” friendly and revenue neutral. 

“The most significant part of the statement, is that for the first time in history, there is consensus on what to do with the money,” he said. Next he hopes to get carbon tax legislation introduced by both Republicans and Democrats in the Senate, even though it may be unlikely to become law under the current administration. 

“I think it is fair to say that America has two choices, one is the route of the Green New Deal, one is the route recommended by the entire economic establishment, which is the carbon dividend plan,” he added.

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Posted Yesterday, 13:32

FWIW, this is an area where I think the Obama administration was an abject failure:

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Iceland just sentenced their 26th banker to prison for his part in the 2008 economic collapse. The charges ranged from breach of fiduciary duties to market manipulation to embezzlement.
When most people think of Iceland, they envision fire and ice. Major volcanoes and vast ice fields are abundant due to its position on the northern part of the Mid-Atlantic Ridge. (A hot July day in Reykjavik is around 55 degrees.) However, Iceland is also noted for being one of the Nordic Socialist countries, complete with universal health care, free education and a lot other Tea Potty nightmares. Therefore, as you might imagine, they tend to view and react to economic situations slightly differently than the U.S.
When the banking induced “Great Recession of ’08” struck, Iceland’s economic hit was among the hardest. However, instead of rewarding fraudulent banking procedures with tons of bailout money, they took a different path.


At the same time, just because no bankers were charged doesn't mean I wasn't glad Obama was president when this occurred, as I shiver to think what might have been if Individual-1 had been in charge.
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Posted Yesterday, 13:36

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OSLO — The protocol for nominating and choosing recipients of the Nobel Peace Prize is one of the world’s most scrutinized and secretive.

A total of 329 candidates — 217 individuals and 112 organizations — are being considered for this year’s prize, which will be announced in October. The identities of the candidates are kept secret, and indeed, the Norwegian Nobel Committee, which awards the prizes, is forbidden from divulging any information about its deliberations for 50 years, and even then, only for scholarship purposes and at its discretion.

But a wrinkle in this time-honored process — the peace prize was first awarded in 1901 — emerged on Tuesday, when the committee announced that it had uncovered what appeared to be a forged nomination of President Trump for the prize. The matter has been referred to the Oslo police for investigation.

Moreover, the forgery appears to have occurred twice: Olav Njolstad, the secretary of the five-member committee, said it appeared that a forged nomination of Mr. Trump for the prize was also submitted last year — and was also referred to the police. (The earlier forgery was not disclosed to the public at the time.)


If I had to bet on the forger, I'd put my money on Stephen "Whitey" Miller.
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Posted Yesterday, 17:45

Let's see how what the how Individual-1 has re-shaped the Republican party.

1) What is the Republican position on democracy?

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The executive director of the North Carolina State Board of Elections revealed Monday that state officials had uncovered a “coordinated” and “unlawful” effort to collect absentee ballots on behalf of a Republican congressional candidate in the November election.


2) What is the Republican position on free speech?

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Nothing funny about tired Saturday Night Live on Fake News NBC! Question is, how do the Networks get away with these total Republican hit jobs without retribution? Likewise for many other shows? Very unfair and should be looked into.


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THE RIGGED AND CORRUPT MEDIA IS THE ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE!

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Two for two. Pretty impressive.
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Posted Yesterday, 17:55

View Postrmnka447, on 2019-February-17, 21:54, said:

And the above "charge" is based on what evidence? Or is it wishful thinking because collusion which has been pushed by progressives for 2 years just isn't there?


Funny, but I responded to you with specifics of how the indictments and other information from Muller's court filings show strong evidence of collusion between the campaign and the Russian government, yet you don't respond to those specifics; instead, you repeat your talking points of "No collusion".

Perhaps there was no collusion. But I would think anyone with an open mind would have to wonder why such activity occurred and why everyone involved lied about their contacts with Russians, why Jared Kushner wanted backchannel commmunications with Russia eminating from inside the Russian embassy, among a host of questions about problematic actions by people like Junior and Roger Stone, just to name two.

If you don't think the facts I set out in the other post are questionable actions worthy of investigation and certainly strong evidence of not only "collusion" but of criminal conspiracy between the campaign and a Russian cutout, then you will never accept any evidence as convincing. If you have made up your mind without knowing the facts, why are you asking the question?

I know you give no credence to what I write, but perhaps some else might help. Marcy Wheeler is an independent journalist who began disbelieving any collusion but the evidence has changed her views. Here is what she wrote recently:

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We’re at a point where both sides are making claims of treason, which only serves to feed the intensity of both sides, without convincing Trump’s supporters (and other denialists) that the concerns about Trump’s loyalty — and therefore the investigation that McCabe opened into him — are well-grounded.

But there are neutral third party observers here, weighing the claims of loyalty. Four different sentencing processes have sided with those questioning the loyalty of Trump and those close to him.....

....Four times so far in this investigation, Trump’s aides have started the sentencing process for their crimes designed to obstruction Robert Mueller’s investigation. All four times, before four different judges, their misplaced loyalty to Trump above country has come up. And with both Flynn and Manafort — where the judges have seen significant amounts of non-public information about the crimes they lied to cover-up — two very reasonable judges have raised explicit questions about whether Trump’s aides had betrayed their country.


Yes, the judicial system is siding with Mueller. Yet you are unconvinced?
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Posted Today, 04:29

Alabama newspaper editor calls for the Ku Klux Klan return to 'clean out D.C.'

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When asked if he recognized the KKK as a racist and violent organization, Sutton disagreed, comparing the Klan to the NAACP.

"A violent organization? Well, they didn't kill but a few people," Sutton said. "The Klan wasn't violent until they needed to be."

Comparing the NAACP with the KKK? As Dennison has said, "you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides".

What can I say, Dennison's leadership by example is making America great again :rolleyes:
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