[hrothgar]

Last Night Luis and I played an amusing (and pleasant) session against Rado and Ghinze.

Luis and I were playing Frelling 2 bids, which cropped up three times during the session.
I thought that people might find the individual hands interesting
[They give a good illustration of the good and the bad points of the method]

In each case, South is the Dealer

Hand 1
R/R

K864
Q653
J2
K96

3 QT52
J92 AT74
J7542 AQ83
AKQ6 5


AJ97
K8
T
T98743

auction

On this hand, I was Dealer and opened 2S showing either

6 spades in a 6322/6331 hand OR
4+ Spades and 5+ Clubs


2S - (P) - P - (P)

I ended up down 2 for -200. The field was playing in 3D, so we lost a small number of IMPs.

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Hand 2

R/R

98
A65
AKQ95
K97

AJT4 KQ862
J94 KT3
QJT62 A3
T J43

75
Q872
8762
854

auction

(P) - 2D - (2NT) - X
All Pass

On this hand, 2D showed 4+ Diamonds and 4+ Cards in either minor.
LHO came in with 2NT, and Luid dropped the axe.
Sadly, I dropped a trick on defense and we only made a slight gain.

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Hand 3

K6
KT9732
T64
AT

7432 Q98
A J
J73 AKQ852
K7652 J98

AJT5
Q8654
9
Q43

2H - (P) - 4H - (5D)
P - (P) - 5H - All pass

On this hand, 2H showed 4+ Hearts and (4+ Spades or 5+ Clubs)
Luis bounced the bidding to 4H and Greg found a nice 5D bid.
I passed, which I now think is the wrong bid (I'm short in Diamonds and have an extra Heart)

Rado found a nice lead of the King of Clubs.
I misguessed the Clubs [I jumped with the Ace on the first trick, but luckily guess the Spades to pitch my club loser.

Flat boards.

I'll say this for yesterday evening. It was a "bouncy" match, with lots of bidding all arround.

[luis]

Quote

I passed, which I now think is the wrong bid (I'm short in Diamonds and have an extra Heart)

I don't know....
Maybe you must pass leaving the decision to pd, you don't know why he bid 4h if it was distributional or just sound values. I'd like to know what others think about this particular sequence. Are we in a forcing pass situation by responder only ? :-)
Can you bid over 5d? Do you? Maybe pd wants to double any 5x unilateral save by the opps..... Remember they didn't have a fit so a 5x save is unilateral and can find pd with a trump stack..... Interesting....

I want to add to Richard's hands a very funny hand to make you see how Rado and Ghinze can be really a pain in the auction and how can an obfuscated player get it right without any merit (yes I got out nicely but could have been even better)

You (south) have: (Nobody vul)
AKJTxxx, x, AKJx, AQ

The bidding
W N E S
1d 2N x
3d p p 4d
p 4h p 7N

1d shows 9-14 and 4+ hearts. 2NT showed both minors :-)
I didn't know whether to double 3m or look for a slam/grand slam.
I decided that the minor suit finesses should be working and since
me/east have all the minor honors he must have values in hearts
and probably the spade queen to open the bidding, so I jumped to
7NT and found that I had about 16 tricks :-)
3d doubled can be set 9 tricks (yes they don't make a trick) for +2300
which is better than +1520. The point is that I don't know why I doubled 2n nor what the hell was 4d nor if 7n was good/excellent or horrible...
As you can see relay systems are nice but when the opps put some wild preempts in the way it can be really difficult to know what to do....
OTOH sometimes wild preempts push a parternship to a contract they wouldn't have played with all the information enabled. I remember hamman once heard his pd open 1x and his RHO bid 5c now he decided to bid 6c and found a horrible heart slam that was made due to lucky breaks in two side suits.... of course they wouldn't have played 6h without interference. Preempts can backfire.

[Antoine Fourrière]

Hand 1 suggests that Frellings are neither winning or losing bids per se, and that you consume three valuable bids to no avail. (But they sure are fun!)

Hand 2 would have been even better against me, because I like to jump to 3N with a source of tricks against multi-type bids. (And perhaps 2N should be a transfer to clubs.)

On Hand 3, you forced a decision on your opponents, and you probably should stand for it. Still, surely double shows an envy to bid one more.

[JRG]

Just curious:

When two players hold the Club King (or the Diamond Ace), and they are both played to the same trick, which one wins -- the first played or the last played?

John

[the hog]

Quote:
I passed, which I now think is the wrong bid (I'm short in Diamonds and have an extra Heart)



I don't know....
Maybe you must pass leaving the decision to pd, you don't know why he bid 4h if it was distributional or just sound values. I'd like to know what others think about this particular sequence.

Strongly feel that once you have a made a bid of this nature partner is the captain. As Luis says, you don't know why he bounced - he does. Unless you have a total freak, like a 7-6 or similar, don't bid again; assume the opening has done enough damage to start with.

Ron