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#1 User is offline   lesh 

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Posted 2015-May-19, 15:45

The opponents are playing precision. What is your bid? IMPs


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Posted 2015-May-19, 17:30

4s

nonexpert here

would have bid 4s last round.
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Posted 2015-May-19, 18:23

not sure what I bid but don't like my hand. a void in p 's my outside pts KQ is worth 1 trick. May not even be able to get into p hand to cash any of their tricks. Definitely not bidding 4. Doubling and whatever I bid I think will be an overbid. Of course I didn't know the KQ was going to be downgraded.
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Posted 2015-May-19, 19:01

View Postlesh, on 2015-May-19, 15:45, said:


The opponents are playing precision. What is your bid?
IMO: Double = 10. 2 = 9. 3 = 8. 4 = 7. 3 = 6. Sinking in a quagmire.
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Posted 2015-May-19, 19:48

View Postlesh, on 2015-May-19, 15:45, said:

The opponents are playing precision. What is your bid?




Lesh, I am not trying to discourage you but it would be very helpful if you mentioned the scoring.

In absence of scoring my thoughts about the hand;

LHO has clubs and so do I. I will need to park those clubs somewhere. My trumps are self sufficient (kinda) but w/o my pd ruffing those clubs I will lose at least 2 clubs even if pd has Jx or RHO will ruff them. And this is assuming that I do not have a trump loser.
I am also void in pd's suit.
I have 2 small diamonds.
I am expecting a lead.

Normally I would have already bid 4 by now, but all of this tells me to cooperate with pd. If it is MP, I am definitely inviting pd which ever is your method of doing this. 3 that is for me. I would not argue anyone blasting the game though. One thing that I will never agree and/or understand is 2nd DBL or 2 only.
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Posted 2015-May-19, 21:59

I think bidding 2 on the previous round is a much better option because double doesn't describe anything like this hand.

Now we've got a pretty ugly choice. 4S could easily have no play, but 2S will almost never get us to game.

I'd play double in this sequence as showing a good hand with no clear direction, so starting with double (planning 2S over 2H seems pretty sensible).
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Posted 2015-May-19, 23:12

3S.
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Posted 2015-May-19, 23:27

3s seems like one of those transfer blame bids we see often on the forums.
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Posted 2015-May-20, 08:16

Bidding 2S at once certainly appeals to me most, it's F and I hope to play 4S, after all partner has made a vulnerable overcall. Even though the H bid has not enhanced my hand I require very little to produce 10 tricks. Bidding 2S may well silence LHO and we may have the pleasure of seeing partner or an opponent squirm or wiggle a bit. Maybe this players reason for not bidding 2S is they felt partner might think it means H support, so what, you can bid these agin.
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Posted 2015-May-20, 11:33

This is sort of a partnership thing. What do we expect from a 1H vul overcall AQJXX and out?? If that is the case than I can see trying to be a bit conservative and going with 3s*. If p has shown a bit more we would have to be completely unlucky to have no play for 4s and I would not be shocked to find the combined hands have serious play for slam. xxx Axxxx Axxx J and 6 is a virtual lock and even if the club is small vs the J the opps have to begin with a trump AND be able to play another on the club Q. I do not recommend trying for slam but surely we can stop being so pessimistic.

4s = 9 3s = 7* else 4 slam searches = 3 2s = 2 (better than 7n I guess) This is IMPS and the bonus for vul games is still pretty large.
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Posted 2015-May-20, 13:10

West is showing 11+ hand,East is showing 8+ hand with 4+ spades.It will be difficult even to play in game by south.
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Posted 2015-May-20, 19:43

please can we stop with these silly posts about how opps have promised 47 points so partner's range is -10 to -7, especially when you don't bother to read the bidding meanings.

but yeah 3s
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Posted 2015-May-21, 08:58

Two Spades is not enough. Four Spades is too much. Three Spades is just right. - Goldilocks
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Posted 2015-May-21, 09:03

3 should be right now. Game is not assured, and it may very well be that RHO does have real spades.

Many partnerships have the agreement that 2 on the first round is natural and forcing. If I have that agreement, then 2 is the right bid on the first round.
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Posted 2015-May-22, 15:46

2S
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Posted 2015-May-23, 01:03

View Postlesh, on 2015-May-19, 15:45, said:

The opponents are playing precision. What is your bid? IMPs



Can you post the full hands?
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Posted 2015-May-23, 02:47


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Posted 2015-May-23, 08:49

Why not bid the first time? You have 7 of them!
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Posted 2015-May-23, 10:42

View Postneilkaz, on 2015-May-23, 08:49, said:

Why not bid the first time? You have 7 of them!

We did bid spades the first time. That's what double shows.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2015-May-23, 14:28

View Postgnasher, on 2015-May-23, 10:42, said:

We did bid spades the first time. That's what double shows.

I agree, and I think that 2S first time could be "fit". Which we don't have.
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