[Poky]

MP. All vul

♠A9x
♥A
♦Kxx
♣KQTxxx

pa pa 1♣ Dbl
1♥ pa ???

Note: You are playing natural weak-2 openings and even 2♥ after double would have been some kind of weak-2 hand.

[inquiry]

Abstain, as this is a 2♣ overcall, not a double in my opinion.

[pbleighton]

3C.

Ben, I think you misread.

Peter

[joker_gib]

Partner did not rdl, ♣ are not good enough and 16 H --> 2♣ is enough for me

[Walddk]

3♣, the ♣10 makes the difference between 2 and 3. I recommend that responder ignores the double and proceeds as he would have with no interference. That hand is a wee bit too good for 2♣ imo.

Roland

[helene_t]

I would have opened 1NT.

[joker_gib]

Walddk, on Mar 15 2005, 08:20 AM, said:

3♣, the ♣10 makes the difference between 2 and 3. I recommend that responder ignores the double and proceeds as he would have with no interference. That hand is a wee bit too good for 2♣ imo.

Roland

Oops, I missed the ♣T !

You're probably right, Roland (but still borderline)

[inquiry]

pbleighton, on Mar 15 2005, 08:44 AM, said:

3C.

Ben, I think you misread.

Peter

You are correct, I certainly misread it... shouldn't log on right when I get up and before the first cup of coffee..

Ok, I agree with a few earlier posters that the club TEN is an nice card. On the otherhand, the singleton heart (even the singleton ACE) is a minus. As much as it pains me with all these good controls, and the way I open light too boot, I will rebid just 2♣. It this was IMPs instead of matchpoints I wouldn't risk 2♣ vul, and I would bid 1♠ or 3♣...it is that close. Too bad we don't have a 2.5 club available.

BTW, I admire the red-blooded 1♠ rebid with this hand, temporizing to find the best spot. But being matchpoints, you may find if hard to get out of a 3-3 ♠ fit if you bid 1♠. 1NT is a huge overbid and 2NT is an overbid. 2♦ and then 3♣ is a huge overbid. The only real choices (other than the 1♠) is 2♣, an underbid, and 3♣, an overbid. But for me, at matchpoints, 2♣ seems more than enough initially for me.. the ♦King is possibly misplaced and partners heart honors are likely to be wasted.... If partner is on top of his 1♥ or has a club fit, he will raise to 3♣. If partner misfits or is close to broke he will pass. If partner pysched a 1♥, I anticipate her to be very weak.

Ben

[mike777]

3c

Very close second choice=2c

[Walddk]

helene_t, on Mar 15 2005, 08:30 AM, said:

I would have opened 1NT.

I am not against off-shape 1NT openings as a principle, but I don't understand why one would open 1NT with a hand that has a natural rebid available. It's completely different with 2452, 2425 and a 15-16 count, or 1-4-5-3, 1-4-3-5 with a stiff spade ace or king (16).

Roland

[Free]

Systemicly I shouldn't bid 3♣ since it shows 3 card ♥ support, so I have to choose between 3NT (max, 6+♣, no ♥ support) or 2♣. I like my chances in 3NT, so I'll vote the missing OTHER-option. GRRRRRR!

Is it really this difficult to type "other" in the end???

[han]

3C for me.

I play this a bit lighter then most people do, about 14-16 HCP with a good suit. with 17 or more I have to bid 2D first.

[Winstonm]

I see no reason not to make my normal rebid: 3C

[luke warm]

3C

[Flame]

3C like most others, i do think the bidding so far has not done good to my hand, but as it was pretty good 3c in the biggining it turn out to be just good enough for 3c now.

[whereagles]

3C for me as well. A 2C rebid might be on Axx x Kxx KQxxxx, so I think I should show some strenght. 2C is just masterminding (club 10 or no club 10).

[TimG]

If opener held 6313 with the same honor distribution, many people would be fine with a 2♣ temporizing bid after a forcing NT response. Why not a 1♠ temporizing rebid on this auction? I rather like the possibilities after 1♠, primarily because I'm likely to have an invitational 2NT available to me next time around. As some posters have suggested, 2.5♣ is what they really want to bid here. Why commit to 2♣ or 3♣ when you can stall and possibly be able to invite next round?

I'm not the least bit concerned about ending up in a 3-3 spade fit.

[inquiry]

TimG, on Mar 16 2005, 10:59 AM, said:

If opener held 6313 with the same honor distribution, many people would be fine with a 2♣ temporizing bid after a forcing NT response. Why not a 1♠ temporizing rebid on this auction? I rather like the possibilities after 1♠, primarily because I'm likely to have an invitational 2NT available to me next time around. As some posters have suggested, 2.5♣ is what they really want to bid here. Why commit to 2♣ or 3♣ when you can stall and possibly be able to invite next round?

I'm not the least bit concerned about ending up in a 3-3 spade fit.

Hi Tim,

I want to say a few words about your choice and your lack of fear of playing in a 3-3 spade fit.

First, as I said in my reply, I admire the red-blooded 1♠ temporizing bid on this hand. In fact, as I noted, this would be my bid at imps. However, I would not bid this at matchpoints. The fear isn't that you will play precise 1♠ in a 3-3 fit (although that is a possibility). The problem at matchpoints is your partner might not be in on the joke and might compete in spades with three card support and presumably ruffing value in club suit. Also the second reason to veto a 1♠ bid is, to be honest, you really don't want a spade lead should WEST be delarer.

At matchpoints, I am not prepared to take the swing nature of a 1♠ bid here. It might get a bad lead, it might lead to an unusual contract. The field is rebidding clubs, and I am willing to bet that if partner can't bid over 2♣ (raise to 3♣ for instance, 2♣ is probably enough. With weakish 3-6-3-1 partner will pass 1♠ but likely will bid 2♥ over 2♣, just another place where disaster might strike with a 1♠ bid. At imps, playing 1♠ (or 2♠ when you should be in 2♣ or 2♥ is hardly a disaster. At matchpoints it can be.

Ben

[pclayton]

I'm red blooded; 1♠ for me. Prepared to take flames and I have no problem with a 3♣ call.

[luis]

Since this is MPs I think 2♣ is fine, I'd bid 3♣ playing IMPs without hesitation.
About opening 1NT It depends on the weather above the table...I'd open 1NT against some players and 1♣ against some others.