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#1 User is offline   gwnn 

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Posted 2015-April-17, 02:32

Just have X show 16+ points with hearts if you want but please don't pass with N. (Yes I know a club could have held them to +180)



W's pass over 1NTx is also a bit weird but it's not the point of this post.
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Posted 2015-April-17, 08:36

Not necessarily.
The explanations of your double can't pop up,it should be a complicated things,I don't know the reasons since I often encounter such a thing.
However I am 100% sure that there are the definitions on your double on Gib CC.
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Posted 2015-April-17, 18:33

The fact that no explanation is given for your double does not mean it's undefined. No explanation is given for your 1♥, and I'm pretty sure that is defined.
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Posted 2015-April-19, 05:06

View PostBbradley62, on 2015-April-17, 18:33, said:

The fact that no explanation is given for your double does not mean it's undefined. No explanation is given for your 1♥, and I'm pretty sure that is defined.

Good point. Unfortunately I can't remember what my x was defined as because I just auto-made it. Either way, N should muster enough courage to bid his 6-card minor.
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Posted 2015-April-19, 05:30

View PostBbradley62, on 2015-April-17, 18:33, said:

The fact that no explanation is given for your double does not mean it's undefined. No explanation is given for your 1♥, and I'm pretty sure that is defined.


Maybe not.
Today I have ever seen on explanations on my bid,so I checked some bids with no explanations because of delayed display.
At last I found that all of my bids can pop up,then I clicked it.
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Posted 2015-April-19, 05:35

P.S.
I remembered I used to play this similar hand with similar bidding sequences,so I know there are explanations on it.
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Posted 2015-April-20, 16:22

Double shows -> -- 2-6 ♣; 2-6 ♦; 5-6 ♥; 2-6 ♠; 18-19 HCP; 22- total points

At brief glance it need some polishing of shape, but there is explanation of the double.

At least 6 cards in ♠ is no longer possible once hearts are no more then 6 as well. :)

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Posted 2015-April-21, 13:43

Georgi's response ignores the main part of the question, and the main point of the hand.

Regardless of the exact description of the double, why is N passing? Opposite any sort of strong balanced hand, N wants to play in 2C, not defend 1NT.
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