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Why Gib partner don't escape after my double

#1 User is offline   lycier 

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Posted 2015-February-12, 07:38



I am wondering why Gib partner don't escape.
If Gib N can escape and bid 2,I must bid 2.
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Posted 2015-February-12, 12:02

GIB will not escape without at least a 5 card suit to run to. And neither would I.
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Posted 2015-February-12, 12:51

Maybe it thinks it is strong enough that running isn't necessary. After all it can make 1nt-x on a lot of your leads.

Edit: Sorry I misread and thought you were asking why W doesn't escape. I agree North doesn't have clear escape, as you can double on a lot of hands with more solid suits and might have 1nt set in your own hand.
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Posted 2015-February-13, 09:04

All escapes from 1NT - Double - p - 2x are asking and promising currently 5+ cards and 4 or less HCP.

Anyway will be addressed if it looks unsafe and 4+ is good enough.

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Posted 2015-February-13, 10:36

IMO, this should be very low on your priority list to fix.
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Posted 2015-February-13, 10:40

<<never mind>>
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Posted 2015-February-15, 09:36



Here another example hand,it shows there are some defects in Gib system. I think this is a half-baked performance.
I sincerely hope to create a exit convention for Gib.
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Posted 2015-February-15, 10:51

View Postlycier, on 2015-February-15, 09:36, said:



Here another example hand,it shows there are some defects in Gib system. I think this is a half-baked performance.
I sincerely hope to create a exit convention for Gib.


The only player who should be considering running on this hand is East. Is that who you meant?

Incidentally I suggest that West's double is borderline
Psych (pron. saik): A gross and deliberate misstatement of honour strength and/or suit length. Expressly permitted under Law 73E but forbidden contrary to that law by Acol club tourneys.

Psyche (pron. sahy-kee): The human soul, spirit or mind (derived, personification thereof, beloved of Eros, Greek myth).
Masterminding (pron. mPosted ImagesPosted ImagetPosted Imager-mPosted ImagendPosted Imageing) tr. v. - Any bid made by bridge player with which partner disagrees.

"Gentlemen, when the barrage lifts." 9th battalion, King's own Yorkshire light infantry,
2000 years earlier: "morituri te salutant"

"I will be with you, whatever". Blair to Bush, precursor to invasion of Iraq
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Posted 2015-February-15, 11:50

View Postlycier, on 2015-February-15, 09:36, said:

Here another example hand,it shows there are some defects in Gib system. I think this is a half-baked performance.
I sincerely hope to create a exit convention for Gib.


I disagree. If you are doubling on a wide variety of shapes and strengths (maybe you have 20 not just 17), there's no way for weak partners of the doubler to really know if there is a safe landing spot. Doubler might have it beat opposite a flat yarb. And often on these type of hands it's just turning -180/380 into -200/-500.

After a redouble perhaps rescue systems make more sense.

If you play rescue systems then either East shows clubs, and West doesn't know if he has 6+ clubs and a stiff diamond or something where clubs is almost certainly better, or if East is running with flat hand and diamonds is better. Or East has some system where he shows clubs and higher, and you end up in hearts, down at least a couple and down 4 on best defense. Wouldn't you just rather take your -180?
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Posted 2015-February-16, 13:07

In general, you don't run unless you have somewhere to run.

The penalty for running to your 4-3 fit doubled may be far greater
than allowing them to play 1NX with even an overtrick.
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Posted 2015-February-16, 13:26

They have to find the double, of course. Odds on perhaps, but not as certain as death or taxes. Not that 1N making is a certainty either.
Psych (pron. saik): A gross and deliberate misstatement of honour strength and/or suit length. Expressly permitted under Law 73E but forbidden contrary to that law by Acol club tourneys.

Psyche (pron. sahy-kee): The human soul, spirit or mind (derived, personification thereof, beloved of Eros, Greek myth).
Masterminding (pron. mPosted ImagesPosted ImagetPosted Imager-mPosted ImagendPosted Imageing) tr. v. - Any bid made by bridge player with which partner disagrees.

"Gentlemen, when the barrage lifts." 9th battalion, King's own Yorkshire light infantry,
2000 years earlier: "morituri te salutant"

"I will be with you, whatever". Blair to Bush, precursor to invasion of Iraq
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