[nickf]

Scoring: IMPs vs median

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You are sitting South and play a weak NT with 4 card majors.

Two passes to you and you open 1C, partner bids the expected 1H.

Now what? What is the least of all available evils?

Conditions of contest:

You can't answer "I would have opened 1D and rebid 2C".

nickf
sydney

[flytoox]

I vote for 1N. If you hate 1N, try 1S, if pd raises to 2S, you wont mind that much. If pd bid 1N, you can pass.

[TimG]

1♠, might have opened 1♦, but I would still rebid 1♠.

Tim

[the hog]

"You can't answer "I would have opened 1D and rebid 2C".

Why can't I answer that, Nick, because that is exactly what I would have done.

I suppose you want me to bid 1S - well it looks like a 4 card suit, but it really galls to have to bid this; I hate bidding 3 card suits.

Incidentally Fly, you didn't read the system properly, you can't bid 1NT as this would show 15-17, (maybe 18 if Nick plays a wider range NT rebid).

[HeartA]

nickf, on Mar 2 2005, 07:56 PM, said:

You can't answer "I would have opened 1D and rebid 2C".

nickf,

Can you answer my question for the same hand, what would you rebid if you open 1♥ (yes, 1♥!) and pd raised to 2♥?

To me, it doesn't make sense to ask for a rebid while I would not agree with the first bid at all.

[mike777]

Pass!

If I am going to bid the hand goofy by not opening 1D, why not make second goofy bid and hope they balance over 1h.

[shoeless]

2C planning to bid 2nt over 2H. If pard bids 2D I will give it a bump to 3D. If pard bids 3c I will bid 3NT. If pard bids 2NT I will pass.

[Free]

This is one of the occasions where opening 1♦ is absolutely CLEAR, even if you play longest suit first and all that stuff... But since I may not answer this way...

1♠. I made 1 mistake, lets keep it that way! 1NT is ABSOLUTE madness, since you show 15-17 (or something similar), and 2♣ is also a very poor bid...

[nickf]

I agree with everyone who thinks my 1C opening was ill-judged. I realised the ramifications as soon as the 1C card hit the deck.

Still, the issue is how do you best catch up? I bid 1S at the table and still think it's better than a 2C rebid.

nickf
sydney

[mikestar]

Given the 1C opening, it comes down to a question--how likely is partner to raise to 2S on 3-card support ? If this is sytemicallay barred as in KS or at least rare, 1S stands out as the best of a bad lot--but if in your nethods a three-card raise is at all frequent, 1S is suicide: bid 2C. If partner happens to be 3-6-3-1, wouldn't you rather be in 2H than2S? If partener passes with a doubleton club, isn't this poor 5-2 fits likely better tha a good 3-3?

[Cascade]

nickf, on Mar 3 2005, 01:56 PM, said:

Conditions of contest:

You can't answer "I would have opened 1D and rebid 2C".

Ok - I would have opened 1NT.

[badderzboy]

Just a BILlie but can the expert community explain why 1♦ is a better opening or 1♠ is a better response?

Granted not a nice hand for an ACOL-esque system but I have to say I'm confused what's wrong with 1♣-1♥-2♣ ? showing the weak hand with 5 clubs ( Yes it's an awful suit but at least we have 5 and the long club may make a trick and the outside honours are likely to provide some winners whether a trump suit or not ?

What would partner do with 2-2 in minors over 1♦-1♥-2♣?

Finally what would you do with when partner bids 2♦? ( I realise partner is potentially stronger in this auction)...

Steve

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[luke warm]

i'm not crazy about 1S either, but i don't see much choice...

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Finally what would you do with when partner bids 2♦? ( I realise partner is potentially stronger in this auction)...

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Vul:  ???? 
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♠  AQ53 
♥  97642 
♦  8 
♣  AK9 
 

1S

[the hog]

Good point on the last hand - a lot of old fashioned Acolites open this 1S.

[Walddk]

I obviously should have thought about this very likely auction before I opened. Personally, I would have opened a weak NT (12-14). Yes, I do know I have a singleton heart. 1NT shows a balanced hand, I also know that, unless it's unbalanced for some reason.

Fred had the "impossible" hand last night in a tourney: 3-1-4-5 and a 16 count. So not strong enough to reverse into 2♦ after 1♣-1♥, so he chose 1NT as the practical solution. I was and am with him.

The least of evils in this example is 1♠. I simply refuse to rebid that non-existent club suit, and 1NT now would show 15-17.

Roland

[Fluffy]

I don't liek the conditions of contest.

I would put ♠A into my clubs and rebid 2♣, at least I would had an excuse.

[flytoox]

The_Hog, on Mar 3 2005, 01:49 AM, said:

"You can't answer "I would have opened 1D and rebid 2C".

Why can't I answer that, Nick, because that is exactly what I would have done.

I suppose you want me to bid 1S - well it looks like a 4 card suit, but it really galls to have to bid this; I hate bidding 3 card suits.

Incidentally Fly, you didn't read the system properly, you can't bid 1NT as this would show 15-17, (maybe 18 if Nick plays a wider range NT rebid).

You are right, then stuck with 1S. I would open 1D of course.

[fred]

I think 1S is much better than either 1NT or 2C.

Fred Gitelman
Bridge Base Inc.
www.bridgebase.com

[whereagles]

Ditto.

It is essential to pass the message "pard, pls don't insist on hearts" and 1S is the bid that best does it, as it shows 8-9 cards in the blacks.