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Posted 2005-February-26, 21:20

Scoring: IMP

1♠ (2♦) P (P)
2♥ (3♦) D (P)
???

I think after this board i know the answer but still like to check with you.
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Posted 2005-February-26, 21:28

Pass. You showed 5-5 by not making a reopening double and your honours are looking defensive. There's a good chance partner was hoping to penalise 2♦.
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Posted 2005-February-26, 22:50

PASS
same reasoning
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Posted 2005-February-27, 00:21

pass...i would not pull this X ever unless i was 7-6
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Posted 2005-February-27, 00:38

Pass wtp!
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Posted 2005-February-27, 07:27

Ok if everyone is so sure in passing so lets make this who to blame and show you my parnter's hand.
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K8xx
QJ1087
xxxx

If my pass was right, then her double wasnt, is that only because she is weak, i mean give here an extra A of club, is the double right now ?
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Posted 2005-February-27, 07:39

Flame, on Feb 27 2005, 01:27 PM, said:

Ok if everyone is so sure in passing so lets make this who to blame and show you my parnter's hand.
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K8xx
QJ1087
xxxx

If my pass was right, then her double wasnt, is that only because she is weak, i mean give here an extra A of club, is the double right now ?

"If my pass was right, then her double wasn't"

That doesn't follow - you can't always make the right decision between you, there doesn't always have to be blame. Looking at your two hands, you would expect a heart, a spade and 3 diamonds. However, there is a problem here - partner has 4 card support for your 5 card suit. This makes it too likely that a double will backfire. I would probably double if the opps were vul at MPs, otherwise it isn't worth it.
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Posted 2005-February-27, 10:29

i've doubled (and partners have doubled) in this situation when a penalty is judged to be better than bidding on... this hand doesn't qualify, imo.... i think north has an easy 3H bid, and i'd even think hard about bidding 4H...
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Posted 2005-February-27, 12:41

Pass is 100%.

I've played with partners who pull doubles in situations like this. I don't play with them anymore. You have 2 nice defensive tricks and no extra length in your suits. There's no reason to pull and there is no guarantee of a fit. It may be a big misfit for all you know.

Your partner's double is not very sound, but I guess its not criminal. But thinking about using the heart suit for a tap isn't a good idea since it allows declarer to score the small diamonds.
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Posted 2005-February-27, 15:29

pass is correct, so the Doubler is the one to blame :)
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Posted 2005-February-27, 18:10

Pass, you have two def. tricks.
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Posted 2005-February-27, 18:21

Actually I don't see a problem. Presumably 3D went 1 off and 4H looks like a very problematical make.
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Posted 2005-February-27, 18:25

Declarer had a heart void so 3♦ made.
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Posted 2005-February-27, 19:17

3D made for -670, there was as far as i could see no diffence to that(need one guess to finnese me for the Q of club), 4H had no chance, heart contract for us would make 8 maybe 9 tricks with some luck.
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Posted 2005-February-27, 19:34

I don't know the hand, but am surprised that 3D would make after a H lead. Can declarer really cope with repeatedly being forced?
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Posted 2005-February-27, 19:46

The_Hog, on Feb 27 2005, 08:34 PM, said:

I don't know the hand, but am surprised that 3D would make after a H lead. Can declarer really cope with repeatedly being forced?

sure , he takes AKJ of club (with a finnese on me) takes AK of diamond, and since u want to force him to ruff u will give him the needed 4 ruffs for 9 tricks.
He had something like
KJXX
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AKXXXX
A109
and dummy something like
Q10XX
J1098
xx
KJx
You can instead try playing diamonds but i think nothing will help if he finnese the club right.
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