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How to bid a semi-weak 2 suiter aginst a 2NT bidding problem

#1 User is offline   guggie 

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Posted 2005-March-02, 02:25

I subbed in a competetion team, f2f. Natural bidding. I had

My partner openend with 2NT, after due consideration I bid 3♥, xfer, she bid 4♣, superaccept with club values. I bid 4♥, p 4♠. Well, club values did not improve my hand, and I I was really afraid of a lack of di control, and passed.

Partner had
. She said I sh have taken the ♦control for granted.

Suggestion for a controlled way to reach 6 diamonds or 6 spades?

The board was quite expensive, as at the other table 7♦x was reached, doubled by the player wi♥KQ and ♣A. The ace was led...
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Posted 2005-March-02, 02:54

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I disagree with your pard's choice to open 2NT.
Opener did have a quite reasonable 1C opening planning to reverse in spades

2)
why should opener blame responder for not assuming opener has controls ?
esponder did cuebid after opener's superaccept.
Responder's cue did show something, and more or les responder has already made his step forward.
After responder's 4H cue, opener's 4S is a signoff offer, unless responder has extras.
Here, responder sees wasted club values, so I agree with her pass.

On the other hand, it is opener who should have moved forward: he knows responder has something, and he knows all suits are stopped.
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Posted 2005-March-02, 02:58

Guggie, You are named after S.J. Simon. You know the answers to all of this idiot bidding.
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Posted 2005-March-02, 03:06

Well, my p had a problem too, she thought 4♥ was a retransfer. If I should have foreseen that problem, would 5♥ have been an idea? Would 4♦ have been a better reply, as it implyed both minor suit controls?
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Posted 2005-March-02, 03:23

Your hand is worth a last try for slam. After 4S, bid 5H. Pard will know you lack diamond control.
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Posted 2005-March-02, 06:23

Hmmm, seems to me opener has more values in ♦ than in ♣. Nevertheless, it depends on your agreements on what 4♥ is (retransfer, control, something else). Imo it's a poor strategy to use retransfer after super accept in such situations. Slams are way more frequent.

I also can't see why opener should have a ♦ control, and there's indeed no reason to open this 2NT. It's an obvious 1♣ opener with a perfect reverse possibility.
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Posted 2005-March-02, 07:36

Get a life guys. Are you seriously suggesting that pd should respond to a 1C opening on
xxxxx
xxx
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Qx

Absolute rubbish! 2NT is ok though I'd be inclined to go via 2C 2D 2N or Kokish or similar. 4H should not be a re transfer - the hand is a bit unlucky for you. Incidentally, 7D is horrible except if you play against nutters who lead the CA..
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Posted 2005-March-02, 08:34

They don't call it "Slam-killing 2NT" for nothing!

In Polish Club the Spade fit is known at a low level:
1♣ - 1♠
2♦

Anyway, these kinds of hands are very hard as what you can make depends a lot on the details.
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Posted 2005-March-02, 11:07

File under: "Missed slams due to 2N opening".

This time I WILL suggest an auction where my 2♣ aids:

2♣ - 2♥
2♠ - 4♣
4N - 5♦
6♣ - 6♥
7♠

1. 2♣ = 19-21 OR 5 controls + 4-5 losers
2. 2♥ = 2 controls + at least another possible cover card
3. 4N = Trump ask
4. 5♦ = extra length (in this case 5 +) but no honors
5. 6♣ = splinter clarification
6. 6♥ = void
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Posted 2005-March-02, 11:48

pclayton, on Mar 2 2005, 07:07 PM, said:

File under: "Missed slams due to 2N opening".

This time I WILL suggest an auction where my 2♣ aids:

2♣ - 2♥
2♠ - 4♣
4N - 5♦
6♣ - 6♥
7♠

1. 2♣ = 19-21 OR 5 controls + 4-5 losers
2. 2♥ = 2 controls + at least another possible cover card

with
♠ xxxxx
♥ AQxx
♦ xxxx
♣ -
or simular, same sequence?
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