[pclayton]

Playing xyz (at least the version I play) you can start with 2♣ and over 2♦ evaluate this to a bad limit raise or a good limit raise.

The category this hand falls into is a matter of opinion.

If you can bar a trump lead from the opponents, bidding game makes sense, however on this hand it looks like they will get the chance to lead two rounds. Voids in partner's suit are heavily overrated with only 4 trump.

Not playing xyz, I just rebid 3♠ but have a secret admiration for Justin's 2♠.

[Winstonm]

The more I've thought about it the more I like JLall's 2S bid. The heart suit rates to be opposite something like xx and with my lack of entries the heart length doesn't rate to be of great value.

I am of the opinion that 1S was not forcing, so 2S must show a little something and with my hand unless partner can move over 2S we probably don't have a game.

Not conservative, J, just wise.

WinstonM

[beatrix45]

I have noticed that these type of hands - i.e. a 4-4 fit with a void in partner's other suit - do not play all that well, so a 3S underbid is my choice.

[beatrix45]

I just noticed that Justin bid only 2S. Maybe he has a point. The thing is that you do have an 8 card major suit fit and enough high cards to raise to 2S without any distribution. It's not a good 3S bid, but I think its closer to 3S than 2S - except the last time I did bid 3S with that hand, my partner bid 4S and went down two tricks.

[Dragan]

In my system I will bid 2♦(4th suit), which is on 2 level only RF. After that I will decide based on pd's answer
1) 2♥ // 3♠ //3♦ -> 4♠
2) 2♠ // 3♣ -----> Pass // 3♠

Maybe not perfect, but this is our system

[Free]

Dragan, on Mar 25 2005, 09:03 AM, said:

In my system I will bid 2♦(4th suit), which is on 2 level only RF. After that I will decide based on pd's answer
1) 2♥ // 3♠ //3♦ -> 4♠
2) 2♠ // 3♣ -----> Pass // 3♠

Maybe not perfect, but this is our system

lol, in my system, 1♠ is relay, and I'll bid 1NT showing both Majors and unbalanced But then again, it's a strong ♣ system

So what's the history of this hand??? I'm interested...

[joker_gib]

3♠ invit

[beatrix45]

Great bidding problem! This type of hand is often misevaluated.

[Fluffy]

2♠ and pray to make.

[P_Marlowe]

4S.

In a borderline situations like this one, I like to
use the LTC.
This hand has 6 looser, or 7, however you count
it, so 4S be it. It may make or it may not, who
knows.

Of course it will also depend on the opening
style, if partner opens trash regular, well then
... just invite.

Using an invitational seq. can work out, but ask yourself,
how will you feel, if partner makes 10 tricks on a lucky
break compared to the feeling, if partner goes down
-1 / -2 in 4S.

With kind regards
Marlowe