[jillybean]

Bid this playing 2/1, dealer North

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[Fluffy]

 jillybean, on 2014-July-28, 08:21, said:

Bid this playing 2/1, dealer North

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Is the right spot 3NT? because that's where I land 1♠-1NT-3♠-3NT

[Cyberyeti]

 Fluffy, on 2014-July-28, 08:29, said:

Is the right spot 3NT? because that's where I land 1♠-1NT-3♠-3NT

I'm guessing the right spot is 4♥, but 3N is OK, usual 2/1 problem with a hand just shy of a 2/1.

[aguahombre]

I don't think we can get there in our 2/1. It would require North taking an unorthordox in-betweener position after the FNT.

1S-1N
?..That is a really ugly 3S rebid here, and North might tuck in with 2S; and responder would not follow with 2NT over 2S allowing North to autocheck 3H enroute to 3N. We don't do that with 10-counts.

However, if North took a position to rebid 2D because he is in-between and wants to stall (unlikely), then we would waltz into 4H.

I disagree with Cyber that the South hand is "just short" of a 2/1. With the modern opening bid style, South is just short of a game invite and nowhere close to a g.f. 2/1.

[kenrexford]

I addressed the issue of this deal in a post "Micro Steps" on the br wi site, btw. The short answer is to have a 3C rebid by Opener (only after opening spades) as either a force to game with clubs or a spade one suit and intermediate, with a 3D unwind. The idea is to get under 3H.

[whereagles]

Seems textbook stuff to me.

SAYC/SEF:
1♠ 2♥
4♥

2/1:
1♠ 1NT
3♠ 3NT

[aguahombre]

 whereagles, on 2014-July-28, 11:22, said:

Seems textbook stuff to me.

2/1:
1♠ 1NT
3♠ 3NT

I am not as convinced that we should disregard the fact that 3 of our count is a stiff King, or that the textbook author would just count points like that either.

[ArtK78]

Playing 2/1, I think the bidding should go:

1♠ - 1NT
2♠ - 2NT
3NT

The North hand really is not good enough for a 3♠ rebid (unless you open ultra-light), but the South hand is good enough to bid 2NT over 2♠.

Playing with my regular partner, we don't play 2/1, so it would go:

1♠ - 2♥
2NT* - 3NT
4♥

The South hand is a minimum 2♥ response. North bids 2NT, which, as we play it, is an artificial game force. South has nothing to bid but 3NT (North could have bid 3 of either minor as natural and game forcing over 2♥, so the chances of a minor suit slam or, for that matter, a minor suit being the right contract are essentially zero). and North corrects to hearts.

[aguahombre]

 ArtK78, on 2014-July-28, 13:45, said:

Playing 2/1, I think the bidding should go:

1♠ - 1NT
2♠ - 2NT
3NT

The North hand really is not good enough for a 3♠ rebid (unless you open ultra-light), but the South hand is good enough to bid 2NT over 2♠.

If the South hand were good enough to bid 2N over 2S (which it isn't unless we open Roth-Stone), then North would have an automatic 3H checkback enroute to 3NT to accommodate the 5-card holding by South.

[Cyberyeti]

 aguahombre, on 2014-July-28, 10:12, said:

I disagree with Cyber that the South hand is "just short" of a 2/1. With the modern opening bid style, South is just short of a game invite and nowhere close to a g.f. 2/1.

It's less than a king short, which I'd consider just short.

[jillybean]

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Here's our auction. 4♥ and 3N are both good spots.

I like Ken's treatment but I also know that I already have too much stuff on my card.

[Fluffy]

If you don't wanna rebid 3♠ you should rebid 2♦ and raise the normal 2♠ to 3. But I though you were agressive opener, so 3♠ should be.

[whereagles]

 aguahombre, on 2014-July-28, 11:55, said:

I am not as convinced that we should disregard the fact that 3 of our count is a stiff King, or that the textbook author would just count points like that either.

Textbooks suggest are several ways to count singleton honors. For instance, you can count them as 2 distributional points or just their HCP value. Now, counting them twice (2 distrib + 3 HCP = 5 total) would be an exaggeration. Still, even if the stiff K is counted as 2 HCP, the hand still falls in the jump rebid window, I think.

[jillybean]

 Fluffy, on 2014-July-29, 06:37, said:

If you don't wanna rebid 3♠ you should rebid 2♦ and raise the normal 2♠ to 3. But I though you were agressive opener, so 3♠ should be.

I'm south here

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,


1S - 1NT (1)
2S (2) - 2NT (2)
3H (4) - 3NT / 4H

(1) the hand is not strong enough for a gf
(2) min openener, 6+, ... may or may not deny a 4 card minor side suit
(3) selling the hand as 10-12, 3H should be a 6 carder
(4) accepting the game try, showing values, also showes some uncertainty
regarding 3NT, if you want bid 3D, than you will end up in 3NT
I choose 3H, how else to locate the heart fit, and Axx is a stronger
feature than Qxx
Also 3m could be constructed as weaker due to this AAB, ABA method
for bidding 64 hands, which I dont play, ..., whatever your agrrement
and 3H is definitly accepting the game try.

In end you will reach either 3NT or 4H, the question is, what is the right
spot.

With kind regards
Marlowe