What do you recommend for coping with high level interference after a 1C 16+ opening:
1) LHO, 2S or higher
2) RHO when LHO has passed (depends on pard's response)
3) RHO when LHO hasn't passed (depends on pard's response)
My gut feeling is that I want to double for penalties a lot, but I'm not sure. Suggestions?
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High Level Interference After 1C Opening
#2
Posted 2003-May-07, 13:30
Up to and including 2S - Rubensohl.
After intervention at the 3+ level, bids natural and forcing and Xs for t/o. You pick up the penalty X by opener re opening.
After intervention at the 3+ level, bids natural and forcing and Xs for t/o. You pick up the penalty X by opener re opening.
"The King of Hearts a broadsword bears, the Queen of Hearts a rose." W. H. Auden.
#3
Posted 2003-May-07, 13:54
"After intervention at the 3+ level, bids natural and forcing and Xs for t/o. You pick up the penalty X by opener re opening."
An example, to make sure I understand you:
Partner opens 1C, overcalled 4H by his LHO. Here are some responses with different hands:
1) Almost any hand with less than 8 hcp - Pass.
2) xx-Jxx-Axxx-Axxx - Pass (if partner doesn't have spades or is very strong, you probably go down).
3) xx-AJxx-Axxx-Axx - Double - strong, can support any suit.
4) Ax-Kxxx-KJxxx-xx - Pass.
5) AQxxx-xx-Kxx-xxx - 4H (hope for 3 S from pd).
6) xx-x-AKxxxx-xxx - 5D.
On 1, 2, and 4, after the pass, partner probably doubles.
Is this more or less what you are suggesting?
An example, to make sure I understand you:
Partner opens 1C, overcalled 4H by his LHO. Here are some responses with different hands:
1) Almost any hand with less than 8 hcp - Pass.
2) xx-Jxx-Axxx-Axxx - Pass (if partner doesn't have spades or is very strong, you probably go down).
3) xx-AJxx-Axxx-Axx - Double - strong, can support any suit.
4) Ax-Kxxx-KJxxx-xx - Pass.
5) AQxxx-xx-Kxx-xxx - 4H (hope for 3 S from pd).
6) xx-x-AKxxxx-xxx - 5D.
On 1, 2, and 4, after the pass, partner probably doubles.
Is this more or less what you are suggesting?
#4
Posted 2003-May-07, 14:38
In effect yes.
Lets say 1C (4H)
We pass with a penalty X eg xxx AJxx Kx xxxx and expect pd to reopen when short in H
We pass with flat hands with or without values
With responder values hopefully pd can reopen with a X - he may noe be able to if holding length in pre emptor's suit
If we have a flat hand we pass the X anyway and hope to beat it - doesn't always work and you concede some 790s
With gf values and a decent suit, we bid it. Hand 5 above is marginal AQxxx is not maybe just good enough for a 4S bid. With anything less, I'd probably X
hand 6, AKxxxx is not worth a 5D bid opposite a min 1C opener.
Gets more interesting after 1C (4S)
x = t/o
4NT = 2 suited t/o
Pre empts are designed to make life difficult and not everything will work all the time; you have to play what works best in the majority of cases.
Lets say 1C (4H)
We pass with a penalty X eg xxx AJxx Kx xxxx and expect pd to reopen when short in H
We pass with flat hands with or without values
With responder values hopefully pd can reopen with a X - he may noe be able to if holding length in pre emptor's suit
If we have a flat hand we pass the X anyway and hope to beat it - doesn't always work and you concede some 790s
With gf values and a decent suit, we bid it. Hand 5 above is marginal AQxxx is not maybe just good enough for a 4S bid. With anything less, I'd probably X
hand 6, AKxxxx is not worth a 5D bid opposite a min 1C opener.
Gets more interesting after 1C (4S)
x = t/o
4NT = 2 suited t/o
Pre empts are designed to make life difficult and not everything will work all the time; you have to play what works best in the majority of cases.
"The King of Hearts a broadsword bears, the Queen of Hearts a rose." W. H. Auden.
#5
Posted 2003-May-07, 15:15
"With anything less, I'd probably X
hand 6, AKxxxx is not worth a 5D bid opposite a min 1C opener."
With X being for takeout, is it a strict takeout, or one that can be passed for penalties?
hand 6, AKxxxx is not worth a 5D bid opposite a min 1C opener."
With X being for takeout, is it a strict takeout, or one that can be passed for penalties?
#6
Posted 2003-May-07, 15:43
All "takeout Xs" can be passed for penalties if partner does not have a suit in which to take out or if pd has a trump stack. eg
1C (4H) X* (P)
* t/o
Would you not pass as opener on
Axx
KJxx
KQx
Axx
Sure you may miss a slam if responder has a monster, but be aware that responder will NOT have a monster 2 suiter - else would bid 4NT or even 5H if pushing to slam.
The other thing to consider is intervention at the 5 level. Marston - Burgess, a world class Aust. pair of some years ago prepared for the Bermuda Bowl by bidding 00s of hands with high level pre empts. Their conclusion was that after a 5 level pre empt, pass by resp should be forcing and X indicate no willingness to compete. Obviously these treatments require a good deal of discussion.
1C (4H) X* (P)
* t/o
Would you not pass as opener on
Axx
KJxx
KQx
Axx
Sure you may miss a slam if responder has a monster, but be aware that responder will NOT have a monster 2 suiter - else would bid 4NT or even 5H if pushing to slam.
The other thing to consider is intervention at the 5 level. Marston - Burgess, a world class Aust. pair of some years ago prepared for the Bermuda Bowl by bidding 00s of hands with high level pre empts. Their conclusion was that after a 5 level pre empt, pass by resp should be forcing and X indicate no willingness to compete. Obviously these treatments require a good deal of discussion.
"The King of Hearts a broadsword bears, the Queen of Hearts a rose." W. H. Auden.
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