[flytoox]

Playing Precision, I hold:
S: JTXX
H: QXX
D: X
C: AT9XX

pd sitting north as dealer, opened 1c, i responded 1d, LHO came in with 2d, pd 2h. I think my hand is to good for 3h, to bid 4d would need one more heart, so I bid 3c. But Pd passed my 3c. Is my 3c forcing? Thanks very much.

[pbleighton]

According to Precision Today (Berkowitz and Stanley), it is not forcing.

Logically, your partner may have a minimum hand with club support. You have denied 8 hcp. What else should he do but pass?

I would have bid 4H.

Peter

[inquiry]

3CLUBS is encouraging, but not forcing. Remember your partner can have some very yucky 16 counts. With your hand, goodish heart support, and stiff, and an absolute maximum, 4H is clear.

Ben

[flytoox]

;D So I am wrong. I thought about 4h, but think my hand is too good for it. How about 4d?

[pbleighton]

"I thought about 4h, but think my hand is too good for it. How about 4d?"

1) Why is your hand too good for 4H? It perfectly describes what you have - a 6-7 hcp hand which has been improved by partner's 2H bid. Your hand is worth 9 or 10 dummy points. 4H is perfect, IMO.
2) What would you expect your partner to interpret 4D as? And what would he do, except to go to 4H, unless he had a monster, in which case he would push towards slam, the same as if you bid 4H?

Peter

[inquiry]

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;D So I am wrong. I thought about 4h, but think my hand is too good for it. How about 4d?

4Diamonds isn't bad, but I would like an extra trump. Here is what your bids probably should mean on this auction....

1C-P-1D-2D
2H-P-?

3H = support, mininum values (say 3 to 5 pts)
3d = support, maxium values (about 6/7 pts)
4H = support, maxium values, ruffing value
4D = splinter, maxium, FOUR CARD support
4C = fit jump, goodish clubs, heart support
3S = depends on how you play 1C-P-2S....

Ben

[hrothgar]

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Playing Precision, I hold:
S: JTXX
H: QXX
D: X
C: AT9XX

pd sitting north as dealer, opened 1c, i responded 1d, LHO came in with 2d, pd 2h. I think my hand is to good for 3h, to bid 4d would need one more heart, so I bid 3c. But Pd passed my 3c. Is my 3c forcing? Thanks very much.

You are in a rather nasty spot.

The best description is probably either

4C = Fit showing jump in support of Hearts
4D = Splinter raise in support of Hearts

You're initial 1D response limited your hand, so neither of these "strong" bids over states your total strength. However, both bids tend to suggest a 4th heart. Qxx is a good holding, however, a 4th trump is a 4th trump.

As others have noted, 3C is encouraging but non-forcing and you are too strong for 3H

I think that the choice is between 4H and 4D

[I reject the fit jump for two reasons. First, your club suit is too weak. Chance the suit
to AJTxx and the fit jump becomes more attractive. Second, showing the control in
the opponents suit is probably paramount]

I lean towards 4D, but this could easily be very wrong.

[the hog]

You certainly want to be in game. Partner and I play that a cue bid folowed by a game bid shows a max passed hand. I can also live with 4D but would really like a 4th trump.

With slightly better C and a fit for pd I would bid 4C fit showing.

Ron

[flytoox]

Now I gave pd's hand here:
S: AKXX
H: AKTXX
D: XXX
C: K

I did consider the possible s fit, it turned out 6s does have play.

The morale I learned here, i think, is not about bidding theory, but some practical consideration when play with random pd. I think some famous player said it before: Never test your pd. Here I did it and got a bottom. The best bid is 4H, not because it is scientific, but becauze it causes least mistake.

[chronos]

I'm in agreement with Ron (The_Hog)

Playing Precision, I hold:
S: JTXX
H: QXX
D: X
C: AT9XX

After the auction:
1C / 1D 2D
2H / ??

I would be bidding 3D and correcting 3NT to 4H. This should show extra values although I would not be adverse to bidding 4C as this would (should be) interpreted as fit showing.

The part of this auction that I think should be addressed is what partner has for 2H. Given that partner can pass the 2D overcall, bidding in this situation should be showing something extra. I'm not convinced that we have the possibility of a Spade fit, as partner could have made a T/O of 2D if they held a hand playable in both majors.

Just my 2c worth.

Chronos.

[keylime]

I like the fit showing jump here - says volumes about my hand. My hand has been upgraded to a positive once I hear partner's good news (in a forcing club, hearing good news is sometimes a rarity).

Unless you've been playing with a partner a while I wouldn't get cutesie on them - either make a 3D cuebid to announce a maximum with support or bid the game directly and let partner handle your decent dummy.