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What mechanisms do you use to find a slam in a minor with 4:4 fit when you've already found a 5(6):3 major fit?
I'm sorry if the question is too vague, I hope you'll provide some examples as well.
Many thanks.
Petko
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Slam in a minor After a major fit is found
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Posted 2005-March-05, 14:53
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Posted 2005-March-05, 15:14
The answer will depend a lot on bidding styles and how an auction has started.
If you are playing 2/1 GF, it is often right, with forcing values, as responder, to start with 2 of a minor. Partner's 1st obligations SHOULD be to raise your minor if he has 4 card support. Your bid is known to be possibly artifical so, if you now rebid his major you have shown that.
The other way is, in a forcing auction that starts out 1M, 2 OM a bid by operner of a minor should promise 4 cards looking for a fit. Again, with 4 pieces more correct to show support and later return to major if slam seems unlikely.
Had this come up last week: p,p 1S (me) p 2c* (Drury) p 3D (slam interest). Partner did not choose to raise diamonds directly, but instead splintered (( wasn't sure if this showed 4 diamonds or was just meant to show me his singleton as a cooperation for slam). Long story short, we played 6 spades off 1, where 6 diamonds is unbeatable... sigh.
If you are playing 2/1 GF, it is often right, with forcing values, as responder, to start with 2 of a minor. Partner's 1st obligations SHOULD be to raise your minor if he has 4 card support. Your bid is known to be possibly artifical so, if you now rebid his major you have shown that.
The other way is, in a forcing auction that starts out 1M, 2 OM a bid by operner of a minor should promise 4 cards looking for a fit. Again, with 4 pieces more correct to show support and later return to major if slam seems unlikely.
Had this come up last week: p,p 1S (me) p 2c* (Drury) p 3D (slam interest). Partner did not choose to raise diamonds directly, but instead splintered (( wasn't sure if this showed 4 diamonds or was just meant to show me his singleton as a cooperation for slam). Long story short, we played 6 spades off 1, where 6 diamonds is unbeatable... sigh.
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Posted 2005-March-05, 15:25
The 'double fit' minor slam on the 44 fit is indeed one of the hardest slams to find for 5-card majors systems. It takes a lot of time and trouble to cater for such situations.
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Posted 2005-March-05, 15:31
Relays are a wonderul thing for slam bidding...
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Posted 2005-March-05, 17:12
Agree with Richard; play a relay system.
This also depends on the level you are at, and on the previous auction. You could also use 2NT as a pivot bid to find out more about shape:
eg
1D 1S
2S
With AKQxx Axx x AJxx
responder could pivot with 2N to find if opener has a 3154 shape and then investigate a C slam.
This also depends on the level you are at, and on the previous auction. You could also use 2NT as a pivot bid to find out more about shape:
eg
1D 1S
2S
With AKQxx Axx x AJxx
responder could pivot with 2N to find if opener has a 3154 shape and then investigate a C slam.
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Posted 2005-March-05, 18:51
Its almost impossible to reach 4-4 minor fit after you announced a 5-3 major fit, the best way is when you have slam ideas dont support the 5 card with your 3 before you checked for a 4-4 fit.
for example last weak a good player held a strong 4324 hand, the bidding went
1h-1s
2c-2d(4st)
2h-3c this show club support and is GF+
3d-3h
4H-4nt
5H-6C
They made 6c while 6H go down.
A side point, i was a little surprise to see that both of them knew the ace asking was about club not heart, after thinking about it it was clear to me too.
for example last weak a good player held a strong 4324 hand, the bidding went
1h-1s
2c-2d(4st)
2h-3c this show club support and is GF+
3d-3h
4H-4nt
5H-6C
They made 6c while 6H go down.
A side point, i was a little surprise to see that both of them knew the ace asking was about club not heart, after thinking about it it was clear to me too.
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