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The contract is 4♠ by NS.
Would you like to declare or defend? Please state if it depends on the direction.
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Declare or defend? I think this is a nice one.
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Posted 2005-February-14, 04:13
Would you like to declare or defend? Please state if it depends on the direction.
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Posted 2005-February-14, 06:07
Declare! I like to make my contracts when trumps are 4-0 
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Posted 2005-February-14, 06:13
I would like to defend, and no, it does not depend upon which direction. Maybe I could defend against Free?
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Posted 2005-February-14, 06:15
lol, I forgot to mention I like to declare with the south hand most...
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Posted 2005-February-14, 06:35
opps changed my mind again....
I better not give any answer till ill get my sleeping time.
I better not give any answer till ill get my sleeping time.
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Posted 2005-February-14, 06:43
Flame, on Feb 14 2005, 12:35 PM, said:
not sure, do we play double dummy ?
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Posted 2005-February-14, 07:22
Declare, either direction.
You can get two club ruffs, and finesse the SK, so you lose a club and two spades.
If not double dummy, no chance to make.
Peter
You can get two club ruffs, and finesse the SK, so you lose a club and two spades.
If not double dummy, no chance to make.
Peter
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Posted 2005-February-14, 09:38
Defend using standard defense. I don't care who declares -- N,S,E, or W. 4S is going down ;>) as long as we lead (suit deleted).
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Posted 2005-February-14, 10:15
double dummy? Declare. just be careful with spade spots. (And, if I screw it up [highly likely], partner can always says gtp just before leaving the table.) But, I think I just see a club and 2 spade losers.
OK, what trap am I missing on this hand?
OK, what trap am I missing on this hand?
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Posted 2005-February-14, 10:35
Double !, on Feb 14 2005, 12:15 PM, said:
double dummy? Declare. just be careful with spade spots. (And, if I screw it up [highly likely], partner can always says gtp just before leaving the table.) But, I think I just see a club and 2 spade losers.
OK, what trap am I missing on this hand?
OK, what trap am I missing on this hand?
You have only 3 losers, but sadly you have only 9 winners....
♦ out.. you win
duck club (as good as any, but if you cash second diamond, see alsternative).
diamond out, you win (or if you had cashed a diamond, a heart back to you.
Ruff a club.
heart to your hand
Ruff a club
Spade = they play queen... see? you lose control you will lose 3♠ and a minor, there is no way to get teh timing right. You might try to give up a heart ruff... and use dummy heart as "trump substitute... let's continue normally...
You win spade king, and ruff you last club. Now you lead a spade. They win ace, and force you to ruff. You are now down to same number of turmps. If you play on hearts, they ruff.. if you play a spade, they win, and force you to ruff a diamond, setting up their spade 3.... there is no way to avoid losing control.
Ben
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Posted 2005-February-14, 10:50
Of course, Ben is right. Took us a while to find this out, even though we knew the result (as this was printed out on the hands record of this computer dealt tournament hand).
I am not quite sure I agree with this, say on a club lead. Isn't it most natural to try to ruff two clubs, and take the double finesse in spades? Same if you get a diamond lead, and don't get a diamond back after ducking a club.
However, several good players went down by playing small to the K in spades (after having ruffed the first club), which I don't quite understand.
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If not double dummy, no chance to make.
I am not quite sure I agree with this, say on a club lead. Isn't it most natural to try to ruff two clubs, and take the double finesse in spades? Same if you get a diamond lead, and don't get a diamond back after ducking a club.
However, several good players went down by playing small to the K in spades (after having ruffed the first club), which I don't quite understand.
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Posted 2005-February-14, 11:01
hmmmm Didn't South have ♥AQ3 originally?
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Posted 2005-February-14, 11:08
Walddk, on Feb 14 2005, 12:01 PM, said:
hmmmm Didn't South have ♥AQ3 originally?
With ♥AQJ in the South hand the contract can't make on a diamond lead. Give the jack to dummy in exchange for a small one, and the contract makes on any lead.
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Posted 2005-February-14, 12:25
Walddk, on Feb 14 2005, 05:08 PM, said:
Walddk, on Feb 14 2005, 12:01 PM, said:
hmmmm Didn't South have ♥AQ3 originally?
With ♥AQJ in the South hand the contract can't make on a diamond lead. Give the jack to dummy in exchange for a small one, and the contract makes on any lead.
Roland
I think you can give it to defenders as well? Anyway, I am confident South always had the ♥J.
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