[nikos59]

Hi all,

I went to page
http://bridgebase04....ase.com:81/vug/
where the Vugraph logging data are stored
and I see that only 2 of the 5 matches played
so far really exist, rounds 3 and 5.

The lin files for rounds 1, 2 and 4 are there
but they are empty. I do know that Round 2
was transmitted, because I watched the end
of it and I have the complete lin file on my
hard disk (and also at my Vugraph site).

So, I presume there was a technical glitch
and the real files were overwritten by
the empty files or otherwise not stored.

I have three out of five matches at my page:

http://www.sarantako...5/2005-nec.html

so if you happen to have watched the two missing (1 and 4),
PLEASE SEND THEM TO ME.

Note that the automatically logged lin files, as
stored at the above address, include also the
"raw" commentary, which sometimes makes
it cumbersome to view the file afterwards (not
to mention that sometimes the commentary
included concerns another match altogether!);
at my site I am usually posting the "tidy" versions,
with commentary excised (not manually).

Anyway, I hope that whatever problem prevents
the storage of correct lin files will be solved.

Nikos

[fred]

As far as I can tell what is going on here is that the operators prepared data files for all the segments of the tourament before the tournament started and tried to copy the appropriate files to the appropriate place on their hard disk before each session. Usually operators wait until just before the session starts to create the appropriate file for that session and then copy it to the right place.

Apparently the operators sometimes copied the wrong data file, started a broadcast, realized their mistake, and then exited the vugraph theatre in order to replace the old and improper file for the right one for that segment. The BBO server is not smart enough to detect this condition and overwrote the old (correct) log files with new and empty ones.

There is not much we can do about this now, but I don't think you should depend upon getting proper files from the vugraph archive web page for this tournament. Hopefully there are a few people who have the missing files on their hard disks and will be able to send them to you.

Fred Gitelman
Bridge Base Inc.
www.bridgebase.com

[nickf]

There's another issue I've detected from the broadcasts from Japan.

If one room finishes ahead of another, the Vugraph operator must keep the room open until the room finishes its last board in order to properly finalise the .lin files.

nickf
sydney

[fred]

nickf, on Feb 10 2005, 04:37 AM, said:

There's another issue I've detected from the broadcasts from Japan.

If one room finishes ahead of another, the Vugraph operator must keep the room open until the room finishes its last board in order to properly finalise the .lin files.

nickf
sydney

Nick,

I think you are referring to the .lin files on your hard disk - the ones in the vugraph archive on our server should not be impacted by which room closes first. In theory they will always have complete data from both tables unless the operator(s) make a mistake. Please clarify if I am wrong about this.

When you, as a spectator, leave a vugraph table (either by clicking BACK or because the operator closes the table), your log file should contain all of the data from both tables that was collected up until the point that you left. If the table you were at finished first and then closed, then you would have to join the other table to get a complete log file of the session (which is what I think you are claiming).

Fred Gitelman
Bridge Base Inc.
www.bridgebase.com

[nikos59]

Thanks Fred for the reply -and you guessed right,
a forum member has already sent me the lin file of
the 4th match that was missing and no further
glitches occurred, so for the moment *only
the 1st match* is missing.
---IF YOU HAVE IT ON YOUR HARD DISK, PLEASE SEND IT!--
end of advertisement.

Nikos

[fred]

I have the closed room data for match 1, but I can't seem to find your e-mail address. Please let me know what it is and I will send you the file.

The operators made a mistake in this segment and did not properly link the 2 tables together.

Fred

[nikos59]

Hi Fred

My email address is : sarant-at-pt-dot-lu.

By the way, if anyone has QuarterFinal 2nd segment
I will be glad to receive it because the file in the
aforementioned URL is incomplete.

Nikos Sarantakos

[nikos59]

Now the QF2 segment is complete and in general all
the early matches of the NEC Cup are there except
for Match 1 (only closed room).

As I am writing this, the 3rd (and last) segment of
the final is being played and I discover that the
2nd segment of the final in the BBO archive page
is empty hence I need someone to send me this,
please.

Nikos