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Why does East bid 3♥ instead of 2♥?
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Posted 2014-March-26, 22:04
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Posted 2014-March-26, 23:22
A long-long time ago the cue bid was a force without support for Pard's suit, and the jump cue was invitational or better with support.
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Posted 2014-March-27, 00:21
There are still quite a few in my area who use any level cue to show a high card raise to the level forced, combined with a statement of combined trump length.
Thus, after (say)
W.....N.....E.....S
1H...1S....X.....?
By South, 2S, 3S and 4S would show pre-emptive raises with progressively increasing trump support, while 2H, 3H and 4H would show full value high card raises to the relevant level, again with progressively increasing trump support.
Another popular method, to which I gather you subscribe, is to lump all sound raises into the cheapest cue bid.
I don't have a strong opinion. The second method may gain by allowing you to buy the contract at a cheaper level if no game is on. It also frees up the jump cue for something special (but probably very rare).
The first method may gain when the opponents further contest the auction. Advancer will have more narrowly defined his hand and may be denied by the opponents a later opportunity to do so, but having achieved that with his first bid it leaves overcaller better placed to decide what to do in full possession of the facts. There may also be benefits to crowding the bidding space when you have a big fit, even though you outgun them in HCP.
If you have extra trump support the opponents are unlikely to allow you to buy it cheap, and the jump cue is going spare, so I sympathise with the first approach. Whether that is GIB method I don't know.
I see the OP hand as more of a judgement problem than one of system. After degrading East’s Heart values I would content myself with a sound raise to 2S. GIB never takes such finesse into account.
Thus, after (say)
W.....N.....E.....S
1H...1S....X.....?
By South, 2S, 3S and 4S would show pre-emptive raises with progressively increasing trump support, while 2H, 3H and 4H would show full value high card raises to the relevant level, again with progressively increasing trump support.
Another popular method, to which I gather you subscribe, is to lump all sound raises into the cheapest cue bid.
I don't have a strong opinion. The second method may gain by allowing you to buy the contract at a cheaper level if no game is on. It also frees up the jump cue for something special (but probably very rare).
The first method may gain when the opponents further contest the auction. Advancer will have more narrowly defined his hand and may be denied by the opponents a later opportunity to do so, but having achieved that with his first bid it leaves overcaller better placed to decide what to do in full possession of the facts. There may also be benefits to crowding the bidding space when you have a big fit, even though you outgun them in HCP.
If you have extra trump support the opponents are unlikely to allow you to buy it cheap, and the jump cue is going spare, so I sympathise with the first approach. Whether that is GIB method I don't know.
I see the OP hand as more of a judgement problem than one of system. After degrading East’s Heart values I would content myself with a sound raise to 2S. GIB never takes such finesse into account.
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Psyche (pron. sahy-kee): The human soul, spirit or mind (derived, personification thereof, beloved of Eros, Greek myth).
Masterminding (pron. m
str-mnding) tr. v. - Any bid made by bridge player with which partner disagrees."Gentlemen, when the barrage lifts." 9th battalion, King's own Yorkshire light infantry,
2000 years earlier: "morituri te salutant"
"I will be with you, whatever". Blair to Bush, precursor to invasion of Iraq
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Posted 2014-March-27, 02:09
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Why does East bid 3♥ instead of 2♥?
I think 2♥ shows exact 3 card support with limited values,so 3♥ shows exact 4 card support.this is a kind of reasonable major raise according to the law of total tricks.
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Posted 2014-March-31, 10:39
In next version ( v30 ), such 3rd level cuebidding would be mixed raise ( 8-9 ). Now it duplicates opening cuebid which is same 10+.
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