[waychan]

when pard open 1♠, u hold: ♠Kxxxx ♥void ♦KJ10xx ♣xxx , what do u bid?

[mike777]

4S

[waychan]

Maybe pard hold: ♠AQxxx ♥Kxxx ♦AQx ♣x

[pbleighton]

4H.

7 hcp, but so what?

Peter

[mike777]

Note 19 "Working HCP" in your example. Choose to spend my energy on next hand and hopefully still win match.

[luke warm]

a 'perfect minimum' would make slam laydown (say ♠AQxxx ♥xxx ♦AQ ♣xxx)... i think i'd bid 4♥ also

[inquiry]

2♦,

1) I don't like making a splinter in a void
2) To strong for 4♠
3) Good five card suit to tell partner about before showing support

Now, the way I play, 3!D is a "fit jump" and forcing to at least 3♠ and less than normal 2/1 values but can be game force hand like this, so 3♦ is possibility with partners who play this.

[luke warm]

you're right, the splinter with a void probably isn't good

[the hog]

A practical 4S. Why give them a chance to double a splinter. Why search for the "pie in the sky" magical slam?

[pclayton]

We have the boss suit so I'm not that concerned with a sac. If I start with 2 diamonds I never seem to be able to convince pard.I have 5 trump. Although they never seem to come up, I play 1S - 3N as a void splinter.

[han]

If I choose to make a try for slam then I'd bid 3NT, showing an unspecied minimal splinter.

[Walddk]

4♥

9-11 hcp, void, 4 trumps, OR

7-9 hcp, void, 5 trumps. Stronger hands with a void will go via 2NT.

Will confirm ♠Q if asked.

Roland

[waychan]

if make a splinter, then something happen:
♠AQxxx ♥Kxxx ♦x ♣AQx
what a crazy 6♠!

[hotShot]

Well i think you should bid 4♠.
Partners HCP are irrelevant if they are in ♥. So this will be the best choice most of the time.
If you are gready, you can try 2♦, if partner will not show ♥ (values), chances for more are there.

By the way, your hand shows 26 ZAR, by bidding game you promise to have 26. (7 HCP, 2 Controlls, 15 DP, 1 extra for trump K, 1 extra for 5th trump)
If your partner holds:
♠AQxxx ♥Kxxx ♦x ♣AQx
After your 4♠ he will reevaluate this to:
15 HCP, 1 extra for 15+ in 3 suits, 13 DP, 5 controlls, 2 extra for AD in trump with fit = 36 ZAR
36 + 26 = 62 minimum for 6 level.
So your partner could bid on with this.

[cherdano]

hotShot, on Feb 19 2005, 08:59 AM, said:

If your partner holds:
♠AQxxx ♥Kxxx ♦x ♣AQx
After your 4♠ he will reevaluate this to:
15 HCP, 1 extra for 15+ in 3 suits, 13 DP, 5 controlls, 2 extra for AD in trump with fit = 36 ZAR
36 + 26 = 62 minimum for 6 level.
So your partner could bid on with this.

Isn't this exactly what I DON'T want him to do? And in fact, 4♥ would gently stop him from doing so (not that I think he should do so over 4♠).

[hotShot]

cherdano, on Feb 19 2005, 09:22 AM, said:

Isn't this exactly what I DON'T want him to do? And in fact, 4♥ would gently stop him from doing so (not that I think he should do so over 4♠).

Usually jumping to full game, implies partner should pass. There should be means in the system to show a hand that looks promising. But Bergen-raises, minisplinter, invitational jacoby, fit showing jumps or <place your favorite method here>, seem to be not available.
I think a splinter should include an invitation to go further than full game. So a splinter would not make me stop, but i would expect a stronger hand 4 that.
I don't like 2♦, with a delayed game rise, because that should show slam interest as well.
If posted here, and not stating something different, i assume a pickup partnership, playing the usual "We did not talk about anything!" system.

[waychan]

in my Polish Club System Major Raises：
1♠ - ?
　　　4m/3NT = Void-splinter
　　　3♠ = Pre-emptive
　　　3♥ = sigleton-splinter
　　　3♦ = mixed/limit raise
　　　3♣ = GF raise
　　　2NT = Fit-showing/also can rebid a sigleton

Now I bid 2NT, if pd 3♦, then I can show my Void, if pd 3♣ simple 4♠. Is it a method?

[HeartA]

I would bid 4♥, too.

[dogsbreath]

4S ..stop dreaming ..

[Free]

2♦ is slow enough, tells partner I have a great suit, and you can make the auction GF later on, especially when opps intervene, your partner will have a good vision about your hand.

4♥ is another alternative, but you have nothing in ♣, so your partner might guess wrong.