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Another 4 Club bid 2/1 ACBL

Poll: Another 4 Club bid (12 member(s) have cast votes)

Gerber

  1. YES (0 votes [0.00%])

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  2. NO (12 votes [100.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 100.00%

New minor?

  1. YES (3 votes [25.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 25.00%

  2. NO (9 votes [75.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 75.00%

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#1 User is offline   dickiegera 

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Posted 2014-March-04, 08:15



2 Questions

#1 Do most play 4 as GERBER?

#2 Is 3 new minor forcing or just a forcing bid or must it be a suit?
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Posted 2014-March-04, 09:37

Most [club level] players (but not me) use 4 as Gerber over an opening 1NT or 2NT bid. Very few players would use 4 as Gerber in this sequence - only those for whom 4 is always Gerber or at least always Gerber after a NT bid. The 3 bid is ostensibly natural but needs to be fudged somewhat in many systems in order to create a force without misleading about heart length. If you play a system where 3 is artificial and 4 Gerber then you are going to have some interesting bidding problems.
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Posted 2014-March-04, 10:08

1: Should not be Gerber unless you're posting in the wrong forum.

2: Not sure, we use an artificial 2 here (which we would use with a natural 2N bid) with 2N showing hearts, but if you have no other artificial bid, then you may have to use 3 as a general force.
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Posted 2014-March-04, 10:37

I guess if one considered 3C as totally artificial, 4C would technically be a "new minor". But we don't like extending that term to describe a natural bid. For us, 4C would show a lot of clubs, imply at least as many Spades, and deny any desire to stop in 3NT.
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Posted 2014-March-06, 19:55

3C should be NMF. 4C then becomes an ambiguous slam try. Responder very likely has exactly 5 spades (NMF probably not the best bid otherwise), no more than 2 diamonds, and wants to know a little more about your distribution before placing the contract. (maybe even exploring a grand). 5 spades and longer clubs very plausible.
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