[TWO4BRIDGE]

If 1D - ( X ) - XX = 10+ hcp

Then is 1D - ( X ) - 1S = forcing ? ... does it show less than 10 hcp ?

[the hog]

TWO4BRIDGE, on 2014-February-26, 19:40, said:

If 1D - ( X ) - XX = 10+ hcp

Then is 1D - ( X ) - 1S = forcing ? ... does it show less than 10 hcp ?

Partnership agreement. It is forcing for me and can be more than 10.

[wank]

having to start with XX on all 10+ would be foul, so no 1♠ isn't limited

[deannz]

1♠ is forcing.

What do you do with

1♦ : (X) : ?

♠ K Q J x
♥ x x
♦ A Q J x x
♣ x x

If you redouble to show 10+ then the bidding may come back to you at 3H and now what do you do.

D/

[Cyberyeti]

deannz, on 2014-February-26, 21:20, said:

1♠ is forcing.

What do you do with

1♦ : (X) : ?

♠ K Q J x
♥ x x
♦ A Q J x x
♣ x x

If you redouble to show 10+ then the bidding may come back to you at 3H and now what do you do.

D/

Well I bid an inverted 2♦ which we keep on over the double and is 10+ not denying 4M, don't know what others do.

[masse24]

1♠ is 100% Forcing and is unlimited.

[kenberg]

Forcing yes, showing four or more cards and not limited in strength. This is how I like to play it and I regard it as the default agreement: If I am playing online pickup and this arises, I treat it this way. Of course in online pickup my partner may see things differently but I am sure that with a little effort I could find diverse sources in the bridge literature agreeing with me.

And with the deannz hand with four good spades and five good diamonds I still start with 1♠. I would not play inverted minors on after a double (and I also believe this is standard default) but even if I did I would start with 1♠. We can get to the diamonds later and, for that matter, if partner has values in clubs and hearts she may be interested in hearing that I am taking care of spades. We shall see, but I start with 1♠.

[Zelandakh]

That 1♠ is forcing is the reason the conventional defence here is called ITD (Ignore the Double). Before ITD became standard, it was not at all uncommon for 1♠ to be non-forcing.

[aguahombre]

Zelandakh, on 2014-February-27, 08:01, said:

That 1♠ is forcing is the reason the conventional defence here is called ITD (Ignore the Double). Before ITD became standard, it was not at all uncommon for 1♠ to be non-forcing.

Or UTD (use their Double). Their gift to us is a call which took up none of our space. While not letting it stop us from making responses we wanted to make, we are grateful that it gives us tools to handle otherwise awkward responses.

[neilkaz]

Zelandakh, on 2014-February-27, 08:01, said:

That 1♠ is forcing is the reason the conventional defence here is called ITD (Ignore the Double). Before ITD became standard, it was not at all uncommon for 1♠ to be non-forcing.

ROFL at that, but I've had a couple of partners insist to play that way with me and they quickly became x-pd's. The xx after a take out x may be the worst bid in bridge and further overloading it and failing to immediately bid the boss suit is laughable.

I remain shocked at how many xx auctions don't work out well in practice, both on the forum, and in my own play and kib'ing.

[ggwhiz]

neilkaz, on 2014-February-27, 11:57, said:

ROFL at that, but I've had a couple of partners insist to play that way with me and they quickly became x-pd's. The xx after a take out x may be the worst bid in bridge and further overloading it and failing to immediately bid the boss suit is laughable.

I remain shocked at how many xx auctions don't work out well in practice, both on the forum, and in my own play and kib'ing.

Yeah, even worse for me was the occasional Ex-partner that would redouble with a motley 10 count and a stiff spade instead of bidding something descriptive or redoubling with same instead of bidding a perfectly descriptive (and constructive) 1nt to give opener a clue.

1♠ is forcing for one round and redouble is reserved for more serious defensive aspirations in my current partnership.

[aguahombre]

ggwhiz, on 2014-February-27, 13:29, said:

1♠ is forcing for one round and redouble is reserved for more serious defensive aspirations in my current partnership.

There are hands with serious offensive aspirations as well for which their double has given us tools.

1D (X) 2C = long suit, little in count.
XX = including what you said, but also for 11+ with clubs, and also G.F. 2-suiters with longer clubs.

Redoubling, and then later bidding a Major=only four of that major, but GF with 5+ clubs.

Jordan for the inv+ diamond raises and 2D for the 4 card weak one.