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What's your call?

Poll: What's your call? (29 member(s) have cast votes)

What do you bid now?

  1. pass (2 votes [6.90%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.90%

  2. 3 spades (3 votes [10.34%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.34%

  3. 4 spades (9 votes [31.03%])

    Percentage of vote: 31.03%

  4. 3 clubs (trial bid) (13 votes [44.83%])

    Percentage of vote: 44.83%

  5. other (2 votes [6.90%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.90%

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#1 User is offline   VixTD 

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Posted 2014-February-24, 12:13

Teams-of-eight, scored as the sum of the IMPs from two teams-of-four.

You're playing Acol, 12-14 NT, four-card majors. What do you bid now?
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Posted 2014-February-24, 12:29

4♠ WTP?
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Posted 2014-February-24, 15:35

Do we know partner's style of raising here? How often would he raise to 2♠ with 3-card support ?
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Posted 2014-February-24, 20:06

2N to ask trump length, shape and strength.
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Posted 2014-February-24, 20:06

2N to ask trump length, shape and strength.
Be the partner you want to play with.
Trust demands integrity, balance and collaboration.
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Posted 2014-February-25, 03:40

4♠ at teams, we have 7 losers against an opening hand and a good fit
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Posted 2014-February-25, 06:00

Wow you guys are aggressive! And if the 2NT gadget was available I am sure the OP would have mentioned it. Assuming 2♠ is quite likely to be a 3 card raise, 3♣ is plenty for me.
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Posted 2014-February-25, 07:16

View Postjallerton, on 2014-February-24, 15:35, said:

Do we know partner's style of raising here? How often would he raise to 2♠ with 3-card support ?

Yes, partner could easily have only three spades.
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Posted 2014-February-25, 07:21

ah OK I change my vote then, 3♠ is plenty. 3♣ if it shows specifically a long weak suit, but if it just shows a long suit of unspecified strength I won't bid 3♣.
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Posted 2014-February-25, 07:56

If partner could have a 12-14 3=5(32) then I would bid 3♠. If he can't (i.e. if balanced he has 15, if he has 12 he will be unbalanced, likely 3=5=4=1) I think this indeed is a WTP 4♠ at IMPs.

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Posted 2014-February-25, 08:21

I'm certainly not passing, which I suspect is the problem. Bidding 3♣ has both plus and minus points, partner will overvalue some club holdings, but will correctly downvalue Q♦. Rik asks a good question, do they open 1N 3532 ? 2N I suspect for a lot of people just suggests only 4 spades in a balanced ish hand.
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Posted 2014-February-25, 11:12

View PostTrinidad, on 2014-February-25, 07:56, said:

If partner could have a 12-14 3=5(32) then I would bid 3♠. If he can't (i.e. if balanced he has 15, if he has 12 he will be unbalanced, likely 3=5=4=1) I think this indeed is a WTP 4♠ at IMPs.
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Partner would be expected to open 1NT with almost all 3=5(32) hands with 12-14 hcp.
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Posted 2014-February-25, 11:59

View PostVixTD, on 2014-February-25, 11:12, said:

Partner would be expected to open 1NT with almost all 3=5(32) hands with 12-14 hcp.

That makes it more likely that partner is unbalanced, and it is important to have an agreement what 2NT means here. I play it as an unspecified short-suit game-try, including short hearts. A similar but better hand, in my opinion, AQT9x x Tx JTxxx, passed in the Tollemache final on an identical auction, and a cold game was missed. I think 4S is too much however. As Goldilocks might say, something in between Pass and 4S is just right.
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Posted 2014-February-25, 12:00

4♠ is a massive overbid, KJ10x, KJ10xx, Jx, Qx is a hand I'd certainly open and I think most Acol players would, you won't make 3 opposite that.

This leaves 3♠ or 3♣ and no strong preference between them.
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Posted 2014-February-25, 14:16

I like 3♣ as a long suit try in that partner can volley with 3 of either red suit to show interest and bid where they live even without club help and I will bid game over any of those.

My partner knows it's imps and NEVER bids 3♠ over an auction like this without a ghastly hand.
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Posted 2014-February-26, 08:03

This hand was played in an inter-county teams-of-eight match last week. Only six out of twelve tables reached game.

The majority seem to think my recommended jump to 4♠ is too much, and would rather make a game try. Should North then bid game?


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Posted 2014-February-26, 08:15

Yes, North has a maximum and covers for all but one of the advertised club losers.
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Posted 2014-February-26, 09:05

This is a 7 loser hand, partner has had opened and supported spades at the lowest level possible so I'm thinking also 7 losers so I'm going to bid game.
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Posted 2014-February-26, 09:18

View PostVixTD, on 2014-February-26, 08:03, said:


The majority seem to think my recommended jump to 4♠ is too much, and would rather make a game try. Should North then bid game?



Yes, of course. Not only bid game but also make a descriptive bid incase pd is upto more than just game. N has the maximum for his previous 2♠ bid.



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Posted 2014-February-26, 09:48

Before I vote, I need to ask what 3♠ means to you here and if it is a game try, how does it differ from 3♣?
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