[eagles123]

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how can we get to 4H by E here?

thanks,

Eagles

[TylerE]

IMO W should just bid 3♥, trump fit could hardly be better and even if E has garbage it shouldn't be a complete disaster. E then has an easy raise to game. If you're going to play weak NT you have to be prepared to go for an area code at the 3 level once in a while.

[eagles123]

Hi,

that's exactly what happened and we got to 4H by W but obviously it's much better if East declares.

[TylerE]

File Under: If the game was that easy, we wouldn't play it. Seriously, s--t happens. Not a hand worth obsessing over imo. At my table the W hand would probably be opened a strong NT and east would texas with 4♦.

[wank]

west can bid 3d. obviously that shows a heart fit.

[PhilKing]

Opposite a weak no trump, I would jump to 4♥ immediately.

There's no particular reason to get opener to play it, and they may have a profitable spot in 4♠ (as here).

[kgr]

Any bid by West should show a ♥-fit.
=> IMO West should bid 3♦ with nothing to protect in ♣.

[Zelandakh]

Over 3♣, I like 3♦ = heart fit + max and 3♥ = heart fit + min. That right sides it here but it is pretty random. Probably better is simply to start at the 4 level. Again there is the random effect of a natural 4♥ being great and getting to 4♥ via Texas being not so great. At least this way has kept them out though and on another hand that might result in their not finding the killing lead.

[mycroft]

I play South African Texas over weak NT, so I can decide (at round 1) who gets to be declarer in 4♥. It's a little aggressive, but I'd probably do it; and I'd probably make me declarer (with the king to protect and hide how skinny it is). But I've seen all 4 hands.

[gszes]

texas transfers are a valuable tool when it comes to possible slam
evaluation. I will let you look it up. The point being the east hand
has zero reason to be messing around with a normal jacoby sequence
and should have begun with a 4d bid immediately and this problem would
never seen the light of day (thank goodness it was a 3c bid and not a
2s bid from which your side probably never recovers).

[Oof Arted]

How about a good 'Old' Fashioned 3♥ (have you got 3 or more Hearts P if so bid 4♥ else bid 3 NT

Or as Phil says Just bid 4♥ you know P has 2 ♥ at least

[Cyberyeti]

You don't say what form of scoring, of course 3N is cold from either side, prize if you can find that.

[steve2005]

what's E dicking around for, there is no slam potential, there is only 1 possible contract, why let in a lead directional or sacrifice suggesting bid by S. Just bid 4♥

[Cyberyeti]

steve2005, on 2014-February-17, 18:32, said:

what's E dicking around for, there is no slam potential, there is only 1 possible contract, why let in a lead directional or sacrifice suggesting bid by S. Just bid 4♥

I sort of agree with this but not entirely, yes you might have 12 tricks opposite say xxx, AKx, xx, AQxxx but you're not going to find this one, the only reason for not just bidding 4♥ was that you weren't intending to bid game, just raise to 3♥ which could be right particularly at pairs, if I bid 4♥ partner will have QJx, xx, KQJ, Axxxx and I might not even make 3.

[kuhchung]

PhilKing, on 2014-February-17, 10:51, said:

Opposite a weak no trump, I would jump to 4♥ immediately.

There's no particular reason to get opener to play it, and they may have a profitable spot in 4♠ (as here).

Boo Texas!

[Cyberyeti]

kuhchung, on 2014-February-18, 12:01, said:

Boo Texas!

Texas like Smolen is a convention that's much more important in a strong NT context, nothing like so necessary opposite a weak NT.

[fromageGB]

eagles123, on 2014-February-17, 10:29, said:

how can we get to 4H by E here?

Quite easily if you take a sneak look at the hand copies before the event.

[HighLow21]

My question is how to get to 4♠ by NS

[steve2005]

Cyberyeti, on 2014-February-17, 18:49, said:

I sort of agree with this but not entirely, yes you might have 12 tricks opposite say xxx, AKx, xx, AQxxx but you're not going to find this one, the only reason for not just bidding 4♥ was that you weren't intending to bid game, just raise to 3♥ which could be right particularly at pairs, if I bid 4♥ partner will have QJx, xx, KQJ, Axxxx and I might not even make 3.

4♥ will have some play opposite most weak NT. and if it doesn't its possible opp have 3♠ or 4♠

I don't personally play 3♥ as INV but is reasonable bid if I did.

im interested what you do with a GF and 5+ ♥? which is what i do for 3♥

[Cyberyeti]

steve2005, on 2014-February-23, 17:06, said:

4♥ will have some play opposite most weak NT. and if it doesn't its possible opp have 3♠ or 4♠

I don't personally play 3♥ as INV but is reasonable bid if I did.

im interested what you do with a GF and 5+ ♥? which is what i do for 3♥

GF and 5 hearts I rebid 3N (or new suit which is not GF at this point, but if I bid on over 3♥ it was a slam try), balanced slam invite I bid 4N (4♠ would ask KC)

GF and 6+ I bid 4♥, slam invite we play a 3♠ rebid over both 1N-2♣-2♥ and 1N-2♦-2♥ as a slam try in ♥ saying nothing about ♠ if I don't have a second suit, I bid the second suit if I have one, 1N-2♦-2♥-2♠ is F1 for us.