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Posted 2014-February-06, 08:30

View PostZelandakh, on 2014-February-06, 07:36, said:

Silly question but why not just make the 1 level openings 7-15 across the board? So something like:

1 = 7-15 nat or 7-9 bal
1 = 7-15 nat or 10-12 bal (vul) or 13-15 bal (nv)
1M = 7-15, 5+ suit
1NT = 13-15 bal (vul) or 10-12 bal (nv)

As an aside you also appear to have no opening for a 3334 15 count.

Not at all silly I wanted to do this but couldn't 1C and 1D wide range are possible because 1D or double opponents game try over 1C 1NT or double opponents who bid at the two level game try over 1D. It just won't fit after 1M, combined with the fact that I play transfers in response to 1M Well spotted about 15 count vul 1NT is 12-15. At non vul 12-15 with 3334 shape opens 1C Responses to 1C 1D(game try) rebids 1H 7-11 5+ hearts 1S 7-11 5+ spades 1NT 7-11 no five card major not both four card majors which would have opened 2C 2C clubs only 12-15 2D/2H/2S 5+ clubs and exactly four cards in the second suit 11-15 2NT 12-15 flat
My problem is serving my system up in bite size pieces which may be of interest to others, without floundering in a morass of continuations I can easily email the full write up to anyone who is interested
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Posted 2014-February-06, 08:41

View PostZelandakh, on 2014-February-06, 07:36, said:

Silly question but why not just make the 1 level openings 7-15 across the board? So something like:

1 = 7-15 nat or 7-9 bal
1 = 7-15 nat or 10-12 bal (vul) or 13-15 bal (nv)
1M = 7-15, 5+ suit
1NT = 13-15 bal (vul) or 10-12 bal (nv)

As an aside you also appear to have no opening for a 3334 15 count.

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Posted 2014-February-06, 08:41

View Postdick payne, on 2014-February-06, 08:30, said:

Not at all silly I wanted to do this but couldn't 1C and 1D wide range are possible because 1D or double opponents game try over 1C 1NT or double opponents who bid at the two level game try over 1D. It just won't fit after 1M, combined with the fact that I play transfers in response to 1M Well spotted about 15 count vul 1NT is 12-15. At non vul 12-15 with 3334 shape opens 1C Responses to 1C 1D(game try) rebids 1H 7-11 5+ hearts 1S 7-11 5+ spades 1NT 7-11 no five card major not both four card majors which would have opened 2C 2C clubs only 12-15 2D/2H/2S 5+ clubs and exactly four cards in the second suit 11-15 2NT 12-15 flat
My problem is serving my system up in bite size pieces which may be of interest to others, without floundering in a morass of continuations I can easily email the full write up to anyone who is interested

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Posted 2014-February-06, 12:05

Please stop quoting other people's posts without a comment.
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Posted 2014-February-06, 12:49

Free,
sorry, I have been pressing the wrong button. I hope I have got it now
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Posted 2014-February-08, 14:15

Just curious. Are you the same Dick Payne who co-authored TNT and Competitive Bidding with Joe Amsbury?
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Masterminding (pron. mPosted ImagesPosted ImagetPosted Imager-mPosted ImagendPosted Imageing) tr. v. - Any bid made by bridge player with which partner disagrees.

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Posted 2014-February-09, 04:53

View Post1eyedjack, on 2014-February-08, 14:15, said:

Just curious. Are you the same Dick Payne who co-authored TNT and Competitive Bidding with Joe Amsbury?

Yes, but co author would not be an accurate description. The manuscript was mine and he lent his name for half the profit
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Posted 2014-February-09, 05:09

View Postdick payne, on 2014-February-09, 04:53, said:

Yes, but co author would not be an accurate description. The manuscript was mine and he lent his name for half the profit

Ah, the days before self-publishing was possible on the net. Do you reckon that your half share was less than it would have been without his name? Or would it have never seen the light of day?
Psych (pron. saik): A gross and deliberate misstatement of honour strength and/or suit length. Expressly permitted under Law 73E but forbidden contrary to that law by Acol club tourneys.

Psyche (pron. sahy-kee): The human soul, spirit or mind (derived, personification thereof, beloved of Eros, Greek myth).
Masterminding (pron. mPosted ImagesPosted ImagetPosted Imager-mPosted ImagendPosted Imageing) tr. v. - Any bid made by bridge player with which partner disagrees.

"Gentlemen, when the barrage lifts." 9th battalion, King's own Yorkshire light infantry,
2000 years earlier: "morituri te salutant"

"I will be with you, whatever". Blair to Bush, precursor to invasion of Iraq
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Posted 2014-February-09, 07:35

View Post1eyedjack, on 2014-February-09, 05:09, said:

Ah, the days before self-publishing was possible on the net. Do you reckon that your half share was less than it would have been without his name? Or would it have never seen the light of day?

You are so right, it would never have seen the light of day. How do you go about self publishing on the net
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Posted 2014-February-09, 10:18

View Postdick payne, on 2014-February-09, 07:35, said:

You are so right, it would never have seen the light of day. How do you go about self publishing on the net

I have never tried to do it myself. I expect that there are readers of this forum who have.
Our office has one or two clients who do it, using some sort of standard contract with Amazon.
Someone I read about in The Week (I think) is really prolific, but it only really took off for him when he offered one or two books for free, to spread his name about. I wouldn't expect that technique to be massively successful when talking about specialist bridge books.

Anyway, Google is your friend - more so than I on this subject. Loads of guides out there.
Psych (pron. saik): A gross and deliberate misstatement of honour strength and/or suit length. Expressly permitted under Law 73E but forbidden contrary to that law by Acol club tourneys.

Psyche (pron. sahy-kee): The human soul, spirit or mind (derived, personification thereof, beloved of Eros, Greek myth).
Masterminding (pron. mPosted ImagesPosted ImagetPosted Imager-mPosted ImagendPosted Imageing) tr. v. - Any bid made by bridge player with which partner disagrees.

"Gentlemen, when the barrage lifts." 9th battalion, King's own Yorkshire light infantry,
2000 years earlier: "morituri te salutant"

"I will be with you, whatever". Blair to Bush, precursor to invasion of Iraq
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Posted 2014-February-09, 10:35

dick payne, have a look here

http://www.bridgebas...ng-pass-system/
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Posted 2014-February-21, 11:06

Over the years keen rivals have tried all sorts of defence to VFP in the hope of proving it unviable. For several years one pair have been playing a variable pass over our variable pass in the hope of catching us bidding on nothing. This had never happened, or at least it hadn't happened until last Monday
Board 11 Love all Dealer south
South J1072 / K1063 / 64 / J32
West A96 / A87 / AK107 / A64
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Posted 2014-February-21, 11:10

North K643 / J52 / 532 / Q109
East Q5 / Q94 / QJ98 /K875
The bidding was
W
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Posted 2014-February-21, 11:10

North K643 / J52 / 532 / Q109
East Q5 / Q94 / QJ98 /K875
The bidding was
W
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Posted 2014-February-21, 11:18

W N E S
Pass
Pass! 1C Pass 1D
Dble Pass Pass Rdble
Pass 1S Pass Pass
Dble
West had waited a long time for this. It went two down for 300. Perhaps all it proves is that is fallacious to try and penalise the opponents at the one level when the have all the one level to choose from
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Posted 2014-February-21, 13:31

Please go back to quoting other peoples’ posts without comment
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Psych (pron. saik): A gross and deliberate misstatement of honour strength and/or suit length. Expressly permitted under Law 73E but forbidden contrary to that law by Acol club tourneys.

Psyche (pron. sahy-kee): The human soul, spirit or mind (derived, personification thereof, beloved of Eros, Greek myth).
Masterminding (pron. mPosted ImagesPosted ImagetPosted Imager-mPosted ImagendPosted Imageing) tr. v. - Any bid made by bridge player with which partner disagrees.

"Gentlemen, when the barrage lifts." 9th battalion, King's own Yorkshire light infantry,
2000 years earlier: "morituri te salutant"

"I will be with you, whatever". Blair to Bush, precursor to invasion of Iraq
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Posted 2014-February-21, 18:57

I think you start from the wrong place. Start with what will be in the VFP, eg. bal 17-20 (rebids dbl/cheap NT),
5 losers with 5 spades (rebids 1+S), 18+ S+2nd (rebids 2nd), ..
without spades or bal <17 bid now! Minors start 2m, 1m if also 4+H.
My jist being get one-message hands in the auction directly.
VFP has expected cases to rebid - those that didn't start with another strong opener.
This should go far in untangling [1-suiter, 2-suiter, 3-suiter, bal] cases by strength: {9-12, 13-16, 17-19, 20+}
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