[xx1943]

Hi all

This hand occurred as #1 in a BIL-team-match
Table 1 bid 4 ♠+1.
Table 2 bid 6♣ +1 when EAST chose to rebid 3♣ instead of 2♠ or 3 ♠

Scoring: IMP

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7 ♣ is not foolproof but worth to bid imo. But to be honest I see no way to get even to 6♣. My pd and I would probably end up in 4♠, 5♠ or 6♠

How do you bid with your favourite pd this ugly hand. Do you have the tools, to find out The spade flaw, the Club fit and the heart Q.

What is your bid with the WEST hand, when pd opens 1 ♠?
Do you bid 2♥ or 2♣?


Regards

Al

[whereagles]

Very difficult to bid. An undisturbed relay auction might get there, but North would bid some nr. of diamonds after a strong club opener. In 2/1 I don't see how you could get there.

[mila85]

I can construct a bidding sequence how we get there but it needs to see both hand and always use the right bid....

e.g.
1s-2h
2s-3c
3nt-4c
4nt-5s
7c

3nt because my spades are bad
4c because I don't want to play 3nt with 6-5 hand
4nt Ooops, my hand is not so bad.
5s Two aces and club queen.
7c We have all the aces
(4nt was natural sing off but we both forgot)

[inquiry]

Well I will give two auctions to consider... One is vanilla 2/1 GF, the other is my own auction which will be "artificial" in some ways.

Vanilla...

1♠ - 2♣
2♠ - 3♥
3NT - 4♥
4NT - 5♣
7♣ - Pass


Four hearts here shows 6-5 or 7-5 hand. longer clubs, and "extra values". It is impossible to imagine not getting to at least 6♣ now. I would play 4NT over 4♥ as two suit RKCB btw (given teh 3NT bid), and responder would be able to show AK of hearts and spade ACE (three), so it would be childs play to bid the grand slam. (When responder or opener shows monster two suiter and other hand shows balanced hand, I use two suit RKCB). Alternatively opener can just bid 6♣.

My way,

1♠ - 2]cl] (2C = drury or 2/1 GF),
2♦ - 2♥ (2D = better than min, 2♥ = real suit, GF, real clubs)
2♠ - 3♥ (2S = extra Sp, I might try 3C instead, 3H = 5-6 or more clubs
4{cl] - 4♦ (4C = set trumps, 4D = cue)
4♥ - 4♠ (4♥ = cue, 4♠ = ciue)
5♦ - 5NT (5D = cue, slam force, 5NT = GSF)
7♣ - Pass (7C = two of top three club honors)

The not so secret "secret" to this hand is to let your partner know have longer clubs than hearts, and slam intrest. If you respond like that, you will always get to at least 6♣.

Ben

[EricK]

It is not easy to get to 7♣ and now I have seen both hands I don't trust myself to give an honest auction.

I am certain, however, that the correct response on West hand is 2♣ and not 2♥. There is no reason on a GF (nearly slam force!) hand to lie about your suit lengths. You should get to 6♣ at least after a start like 1♠ 2♣ 2♠ 3♥

Eric

[pclayton]

Easier yet:

1♠ - 2♣
2♠ - 3♥
4♣ - 5♦
5N - ????

5♦ = EKCB; 5N = 2 w/o Q

Possible to bid 7 here I think, just needs the A♦. Perhaps 4♦ kickback is better, since the A♦ IS a useful card.

There are some death hands, but 7 seems like a reasonable propostion.

[junyi_zhu]

xx1943, on Jan 31 2005, 02:51 PM, said:

Hi all

This hand occurred as #1 in a BIL-team-match
Table 1 bid 4 ♠+1.
Table 2 bid 6♣ +1 when EAST chose to rebid 3♣ instead of 2♠ or 3 ♠

Dealer: North Vul: None Scoring: IMP

♠ 6 ♥ 9876 ♦ KQT72 ♣ T75 ♠ A4 ♥ AKT43 ♦   ♣ QJ8642 ♠ JT87532 ♥ Q ♦ A3 ♣ AK9 ♠ KQ9 ♥ J52 ♦ J98654 ♣ 3

7 ♣ is not foolproof but worth to bid imo. But to be honest I see no way to get even to 6♣. My pd and I would probably end up in 4♠, 5♠ or 6♠

How do you bid with your favourite pd this ugly hand. Do you have the tools, to find out The spade flaw, the Club fit and the heart Q.

What is your bid with the WEST hand, when pd opens 1 ♠?
Do you bid 2♥ or 2♣?


Regards

Al

1S 2C
2D(waiting, either minimum or balanced, any strength) 2S(4 or more hearts, with 5 or more clubs and extra value)
3C(support) 3H(5 hearts)
3S(extra length in spades) 4C(waiting, extra)
4D(RKC) 5N(two KC with trump Q and a working void, which must be diamonds)
6D(king asking(with SK, I'd probably play 6S)) 6H(HK)
7C

[MarceldB]

In some above bidding sequences East takes the initiative with Ace asking and you don't know the eventually needed J♣ with a ♠ lead, because hoping for a 2/2 break in the blacks can be too optimistic.

in REGRESsion:

1♣= 8-12p. with any s/void (4441 up to 7330 òr an 1-suiter 8-12c 7-11p.)
• 1♦ =relay
1♥= s/v♥ OR s/v♣ then L=Major or any 5/5
•1♠= relay
2♠ = s/v♥, L=♠ and an 1-suiter
•2NT= relay
3♦= a max (11-12p.) and 7321 (Q♥ + J♠ do not count)
•3♥= relay
3♠= 7=1=2=3
•4♥= SLam Asking Bid ♣
5♣*= 0 or 3 of 5 (by the way: KQJxxxx, Q, KQ, xxx = not a max)
•5NT= Suit Asking Bid ♥ (if non you are safe)
6♦= Queen♥
•7♣

*System allows you (more memory strain because exception to the exception) to handle in a better way the 0-3 answer=just the trump suit bid in case R can not read it and to be able to play 4M too), the answer will be then:
5NT= 3 Aces + Q♥

For your info: with an other diviation of the honours, no problem either.

Regards,
Marcel

[Free]

With Richard (MOSCITO):

1♥ - 1♠
2♦ - 2♥
2♠ - 2NT
3♥ - 3♠
3NT - 4♣
4NT - 5♣
5♦ - 7♣

Opener shows a 7-1-2-3 with 8 SP (A=3, K=2, Q=1, singleton K/Q = 0), no tophonour ♠ => ♦A & ♣AK

With my f2f partner (Strong ♣ system with 10-15 5+M 1M opening):

1♠ - 1NT
2♥ - 2♠
2NT - 3♣
3NT - 4♣
5♣ - 5♦
5♥ - 7♣

Same here: opener shows a 7-1-2-3 with 8 SP (A=3, K=2, Q=1, singleton K/Q = 0), no tophonour ♠ => ♦A & ♣AK

[Fluffy]

With standard 2/1:

1♠-2♥
2♠-3♣
3♠-4♦
4NT-5♥
5♠

I can think on some other auctions that stop in 4♠ and 6♠, none in ♣.

[FrancesHinden]

In any basic system getting to 6C is easy. The trick is getting to 7. A non-artificial auction should always start

1♠ 2♣
2♠ 3♥
4♣

because West should respond in his longest suit, and East should admit to having AKx support as soon as possible.

Any sensible auction will now get to 6. Perhaps you could continue
4♦ cue bid
5♦ 5♠ super-suitable hand, cue bid; shows the SA
7♣

though that is more with the benefit of seeing all the hands

[cherdano]

EricK, on Jan 31 2005, 06:50 PM, said:

It is not easy to get to 7♣ and now I have seen both hands I don't trust myself to give an honest auction.

I am certain, however, that the correct response on West hand is 2♣ and not 2♥. There is no reason on a GF (nearly slam force!) hand to lie about your suit lengths. You should get to 6♣ at least after a start like 1♠ 2♣ 2♠ 3♥

I strongly agree with Eric here. The beauty of 2/1 auctions in 2/1 GF is that you can bid out your shape, so you should make use of that.

[alcin91]

Hi. Here is how we would bid it with my partner:

1♠ limited to 15 pts, 5 card majors.
1NT (GF) 2♠ 1-suited hand, not maximum
3♣ (nat) 4♥ splinter
4NT rkc 5 ♦ 0 or 3
7♣

I can see that partner has xxxxxx x Axx AKx . without any other card, 7 only needs hearts 4-3 (if they lead a trump). Partner wouldn't splinter with the above hand since it is a dead minimum, so he must have extras somewhere, either in length or strength. Give him xxxxxx x Ax AKx (still quite minimum) and now 7 makes with spades 2-2 and trumps 3-1 as well.

[luke warm]

xx1943, on Jan 31 2005, 08:51 AM, said:

Dealer: North Vul: None Scoring: IMP

♠ 6 ♥ 9876 ♦ KQT72 ♣ T75 ♠ A4 ♥ AKT43 ♦   ♣ QJ8642 ♠ JT87532 ♥ Q ♦ A3 ♣ AK9 ♠ KQ9 ♥ J52 ♦ J98654 ♣ 3

this is how (i think, if mike reads this he can correct it) it would go using weiss:

2♠ : 2NT - 11-16, 6+ : ogust
3♥ : 4♣ - good hand/bad suit : cab
5♣ : 5♦ - shows A,K or A,Q : cab
5NT : 7♣ - shows Ax(x)

like eric said, bidding the grand is easy when you know it makes... in r/l bidding 6♣ or ♠ is possible.. but the above bidding looks about right to me

[Free]

luke warm, on Feb 8 2005, 01:26 AM, said:

this is how (i think, if mike reads this he can correct it) it would go using weiss:

2♠ : 2NT - 11-16, 6+ : ogust
3♥ : 4♣ - good hand/bad suit : cab
5♣ : 5♦ - shows A,K or A,Q : cab
5NT : 7♣ - shows Ax(x)

like eric said, bidding the grand is easy when you know it makes... in r/l bidding 6♣ or ♠ is possible.. but the above bidding looks about right to me

Jimmy, how do you know partner has a 3 card ♣? If he has AK doubleton, you're screwed in 7♣ I'm afraid.

[luke warm]

maybe so... that's why it's hard to bid (or as eric said, trust yourself to bid) the exact same way you'd bid at the table... i did say that 6♣ or 6♠ might be the actual bid

also, west doesn't have to bid 2nt... 3♣ is possible, when east would (probably) cue a diamond to show support