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What do you Expect for 1H and What Now?

#1 User is offline   eagles123 

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Posted 2013-December-09, 18:06

Think I got this one wrong:

red vs white



Firstly, what do you expect for 1H in this situation? and secondly, what do you bid with N hand when W bids 1S over 1H :)
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Posted 2013-December-09, 20:08

View Posteagles123, on 2013-December-09, 18:06, said:

Think I got this one wrong:

red vs white



Firstly, what do you expect for 1H in this situation? and secondly, what do you bid with N hand when W bids 1S over 1H :)



Pd is a passed hand, so lacks the ability to open with a 1, 2 or 3 bid. Pd has less than 11 and a decent 5 card suit. Perhaps pd is 2 suited if we do not play 2 suited openings. As a result I content myself with a simple 2H
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Posted 2013-December-09, 21:31

View Posteagles123, on 2013-December-09, 18:06, said:

Firstly, what do you expect for 1H in this situation? and secondly, what do you bid with N hand when W bids 1S over 1H :)


There are times when you can overthink a hand, and this looks like one of them. I expect partner to have 5 hearts and overcall values. Since I have a 9 loser 10-count with three card support opposite a passed hand, I raise to 2H. If partner has 4 of them and it goes badly, or if partner has a magic hand to make game, then that's just too bad.

I might double later in the auction, but I'm not taking a push to the 3 level.
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Posted 2013-December-09, 22:18

View Postsfi, on 2013-December-09, 21:31, said:

There are times when you can overthink a hand, and this looks like one of them. I expect partner to have 5 hearts and overcall values. Since I have a 9 loser 10-count with three card support opposite a passed hand, I raise to 2H. If partner has 4 of them and it goes badly, or if partner has a magic hand to make game, then that's just too bad.

I might double later in the auction, but I'm not taking a push to the 3 level.

All true except the doubling later part (well maybe a slam). I wouldn't even think about the overthinking thing, or any of the other concerns. I have a raise of an overcall, so I raise the overcall.
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Posted 2013-December-10, 10:47

A hand with hearts that couldn't open.

In more detail, I expect it to be:
  • Lower than opening strength
  • Too impure to preempt (e.g. Axxx/KJTxxx/xx/x, or xx/KQJxx/xx/xxxx)


(especially since partner's first call was second in, RvW).

I have enough to raise here: it will push opponents much more than passing, so my bid is 2.
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Posted 2013-December-10, 11:15

View PostCamHenry, on 2013-December-10, 10:47, said:

A hand with hearts that couldn't open.

This. It should be a good suit vulnerable, and might have positional values based on the auction. Perhaps something like xxx KQJxx KTxx x.

If this is from BBO, often the bidder will have a garbage 5-card suit, but just likes to bid regardless of vulnerability or even his hand. With a partner I trust, I bid 2. With a BBO random, I pass and hope he doesn't bid again.
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Posted 2013-December-10, 11:37

1H should show 4-5 hearts, 8+ points. Occasionally partner may show up with a good 4 card heart suit with a 4333 hand of 11+ or similar hand lacking distributional strength. For instance a hand like Jx AQxx Qxxx Kxx may opt not to open.

Raising to 2H is standard.
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Posted 2013-December-10, 11:57

2 seems semi-standout. Granted, though, partner is more likely to have a 4-card suit than in any other sequence, IMO, such that passing has some upside. I do not want a heart lead, and raising to 2 probably accomplishes nothing useful.

An argument can be made (and I would make it) that this sequence allows me to make a fit-bid of sorts -- meaning a lead-director enabled by the fact of a fit. Hence, bidding 2 as "I have a fit but I want a diamond lead" makes sense here. Same for 2, perhaps, but 2 is probably needed as natural. Hence, perhaps 2 should actually say "I have a heart fit but don't want a heart lead?"



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