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#1 User is offline   Lord Molyb 

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Posted 2013-November-20, 14:10



I held Axxxxx AKJx Ax T
I figured that if GIB had the 5+ 8421 points required for his 3 bid I could make 3NT if he had a club stopper or the opponents didn't lead clubs. (presumably he had at least KJ-7th)
LHO bid 4, p passed, RHO passed with x xxx KQxx Q98xx, and I decided to bid 4 instead of X (which I really hope partner wouldn't pull)
Now partner bids blackwood, unsurprisingly. But I mouse over the 4NT bid and it's apparently blackwood for diamonds! I mouse over the 4 bid I just made and the explanation is "cue bid". What.
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Posted 2013-November-20, 14:43

Even if 4 was a cue bid (gloss over the earlier 3N bid), how can North justify Bwood?
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Posted 2013-November-20, 19:37

The non-description-fitting preempt was reported last month, without a response from staff.
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Posted 2013-November-25, 09:40

Thanks for reporting.

4 really was described as cuebid and therefore 4NT comes as blackwood over diamonds. Come after simulation for sure, based on 3NT - 4 25+ TP

Fixed in v29. So it shows now just spades. Plus the rest probability of cards where 2-4 cards in rest suits as 3NT denies singleton. 2- in opening, but other suits are 2+ cards.

Of course as bidding 3NT cannot shows more then 5, that's the limit of spades - five.

So if there is a blackwood after, it will be over spades.

So with the hand displayed for North, it will pass 4.

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Posted 2013-November-25, 18:44

Can we please address the part of the report (and the previous report cited above) about GIB opening 3 with J high when he says he has 5+ 8421HCP for that bid? I happen to like the bid on this trash, but either way GIB's action and the description he provides should be consistent.
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Posted 2013-November-25, 19:18

Point taken, and it will be reviewed.

As there are also included rules where it opens following simply with losers -2/-3 based on vulnerability. So either explanation will be fixed in v29, or openings.

I will try to add more information once it's known which part is changed.

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Posted 2013-November-29, 20:18

Some changes in forthcoming v29 about these openings:

3X will have the requirement of 3+ 8421 or QJ and better, so it won't be able to open with 10xxxxxx or Jxxxxxx in suit. Explanation is also tweaked about 10-HCP instead of current 9-HCP.

So an explanation of 3 would look like:

3 - Preempt -- 7+ ; 10- HCP; 3+ 8421 HCP in ; 6+ total points

Still preemptive logic about -2/-3 etc based on vulnerability will be followed. not just some 7th suit.

2X weak openings will be extended to 6-7 cards suit.

However they will be after 3X priorities so if a hand is good enough will open 3X, if not that type, but satisfying 2X openings such call will be given.

2X in v28 are limited to exactly 6 cards, and thus they are missing some of the hands which can't fit neither in 3X , or 1X openings and are passed at first round.

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