[TWO4BRIDGE]

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[mike777]

ns are nv and have `12 spades...tough to get to 7h very tough.

now add on top of that 3 suited very strong hands are hard to bid.

[JLOGIC]

West could think about the hand for even half a second and drive to 7, what high cards did he think his partner had after 4S? AKQ of spades?

[nigel_k]

If West bids 3♥ over 2♠ East can use Blackwood.

If you have a two suiter and opponents are threatening to preempt to a high level but your system prevents you showing either suit, then you need to change the system.

[Antrax]

That's a very valid point - is pass the only positive bid W could make?

[the hog]

Well, East's 4S bid upped the auction by a whole round for no good purpose when pass would of course have been forcing.

[MrAce]

To me 4 ♠ bid by E was overbid. As pointed out by Justin after that overbid i can't imagine W staying low of 7. So his 4♠ made it easier for them to reach the grand imo.

I admit i would have started with DBL by E over 3♠, as passes would be forcing by both sides. Still biddable grand but i would not have bet on it.

[Cyberyeti]

nigel_k, on 2013-November-26, 23:30, said:

If West bids 3♥ over 2♠ East can use Blackwood.

If you have a two suiter and opponents are threatening to preempt to a high level but your system prevents you showing either suit, then you need to change the system.

Prefer 3♣ to 3♥, don't bid bad suits on good hands. And I want to be in 7N rather than 7♥ or 7♣.

[Zelandakh]

2♣ - (2♠) - P - (3♠); P - 4♠; 5♠ - 6♠; 7NT pehaps? Given the 12 card fit, it seems certain that either N or S (or both) have seriously underbid. Otherwise we might not have had any realistic chance. Agree with others that West simply bidding the small slam after Opener's 4♠ rebid was thoughtless and lazy.

[MrAce]

I guess everyone playing DBL by opener showing a penalty DBL. Very surprising to me to make a penalty double when they bid and raise, and we are in GF auction. If they play DBL T/O, when will you DBL by opener, if not now with perfect T/O shape ?

Imho pass by opener should be reserved for balanced hands.

[Fluffy]

I though doubling with balanced hands was the standard for a 2♣ opener.

I don't think reaching 7♥ is realistic, the club fit should be found before hearts.

[Zelandakh]

MrAce, on 2013-November-27, 11:41, said:

I guess everyone playing DBL by opener showing a penalty DBL. Very surprising to me to make a penalty double when they bid and raise, and we are in GF auction. If they play DBL T/O, when will you DBL by opener, if not now with perfect T/O shape ?

Imho pass by opener should be reserved for balanced hands.

I was assuming Pass = takeout; X = big balanced but if you play it the other way round then just switch the second pass to a double. I doubt it matters very much so it makes sense just to match this to your other FP agreements.

[the_clown]

As West I would surely force to grand when my partner opens 2♣ and then cuebids 4♠. I guess I would just keep bidding spades until I get some preference for either ♥s or ♣

[MrAce]

Zelandakh, on 2013-November-28, 03:31, said:

I was assuming Pass = takeout; X = big balanced but if you play it the other way round then just switch the second pass to a double. I doubt it matters very much so it makes sense just to match this to your other FP agreements.

Ok got it thanks

[gszes]

while not happy about most of the bidding, why would east hesitate
to bid 7h when his p bids 6h missing the spade A the heart AKQ
plus a ton of minor suit cards????? If east trusts his p bidding one
whit 7h should be one of the easiest bids imaginable.

[lycier]

In this hand auction,after 2♠,you pass to show "possitive" if you play second negative response,(of course ,pass is a good option.) DBL=second negative resonse,deny working points in the hand.right?