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how penaltish is this double? after having made a sputnik on another suit

Poll: how penaltish is this double? (14 member(s) have cast votes)

what holding is most typical for this double?

  1. 2-5-3-3 (takeout, 9HCP was not enough for FB) (1 votes [7.14%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 7.14%

  2. 3-4-3-3 (optional) (5 votes [35.71%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 35.71%

  3. 4-4-3-2 (penalty oriented) (7 votes [50.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 50.00%

  4. 4-3-2-4 (very penalty oriented) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. other (1 votes [7.14%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 7.14%

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Posted 2013-November-05, 05:44

1♦-(2♣)-dbl-(2♠)
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Posted 2013-November-05, 06:53

I think it's best to call this double "convertible values" but I would expect 4♥ for sure. We need to balance finding our 4-4 heart fit against hurting them when the 2♣ bidder has a singleton spade - we know the opps have a misfit.

Hand type 1 is ruled out for us because we will either shade a 2♥ bid initially (depending on suit quality) or bid 2NT now showing 5=4 or 5=3 in the reds.

Hand type 4 is out for us for not having 4♥. We will miss out on a penalty occasionally but I feel having the security of knowing about the ♥ fit is more important on this auction. Partner should make a takeout double on all hands with a spade singleton anyway.

We could hold either hands 2 or 3, or 2=4=3=4 shape which you haven't mentioned (I definitely want to be able to dbl with this.)

Would be interested to hear others' opinions.
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Posted 2013-November-05, 07:28

I love penalizing. But few things are absolute at the two level, and doubles especially.
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Posted 2013-November-05, 08:40

I think I was 4+-4+-x-x when I Xed the first time (X for me there absolutely promises both majors)
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Posted 2013-November-05, 09:07

It's just saying it's our hand, shape as expected. Perhaps responder would try 2N with just 3 of them.

Thanks,
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Posted 2013-November-05, 09:20

View PostDJNeill, on 2013-November-05, 09:07, said:

It's just saying it's our hand, shape as expected. Perhaps responder would try 2N with just 3 of them.

Thanks,
Dan

With the values for 2NT, and both black suits stopped (either three or four cards in Spades), I am content with the second Double.

2NT on this auction would show a fifth heart and diamond support ---but, 2♥ the first time would have been stronger for us than for many people.
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Posted 2013-November-05, 10:33

View PostTylerE, on 2013-November-05, 08:40, said:

I think I was 4+-4+-x-x when I Xed the first time (X for me there absolutely promises both majors)


What do you bid with strong hands with 3 diamonds, or even with 4 of them?
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Posted 2013-November-05, 13:14

Strong hands with support start with a cue.
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