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The Problem with Religious Moderation From Sam Harris

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Posted 2013-May-30, 07:07

Check this out and then you can vote.
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Posted 2013-May-30, 07:12

he may be a pretty smart guy. After all he managed to increase the value of his land.
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Posted 2013-May-30, 08:18

"Whilst critics dismiss his claims the seminars attract large groups of people, up to 150 a time."

Really? Critics dismiss his claim that he is the reincarnation of Jesus Christ? I am shocked.

The funny thing is, the naysayers sound very similar to the naysayers of biblical times.

As long as he doesn't hurt anyone, I don't have any problem with this. He appears to be a lot less menacing than most bible belt evangelists in the US.
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Posted 2013-May-30, 08:30

I thought this was kind of sweet: "my suggestion is, even if you don't believe I am Jesus, at least learn how to love."
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Posted 2013-May-30, 08:58

So how gullible are you?
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Posted 2013-May-30, 08:59

I wondered what Keith Urban would do now that the American Idol gig is over...
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Posted 2013-May-30, 09:16

If the story is accurate, what's there to have a problem with? Who cares what he calls himself if people are living peaceful and happy lives? not many people do these days, it's not surprising lots have gone to join him.

I suppose a lot of people figure he should be put away and everyone there should start paying psychiatrists to get where they think they are already.
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Posted 2013-May-30, 18:57

One of my favorite religious numbers, perhaps along the lines of the OP:


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Posted 2013-May-30, 20:47

View Postkenberg, on 2013-May-30, 18:57, said:

One of my favorite religious numbers, perhaps along the lines of the OP:



Paul Newman in Cool Hand Luke... not really along the lines of the OP.

All I have to say about the OP is, if he starts to mix a pitcher of Kool-Aid... be careful.
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Posted 2013-May-31, 00:05

Matt 24:4-5 NASU
4 And Jesus answered and said to them, “See to it that no one misleads you.
5 "For many will come in my name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and will mislead many.

Matt 24:23-27 NASU
23 “Then if anyone says to you, 'Behold, here is the Christ,' or ' There He is,' do not believe him.
24 "For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect.
25 "Behold, I have told you in advance.
26 "So if they say to you, 'Behold, He is in the wilderness,' do not go out, or, 'Behold, He is in the inner rooms,' do not believe them.
27 “For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes even to the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be.
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Posted 2013-May-31, 04:21

View Post32519, on 2013-May-31, 00:05, said:

Bible quotes


So these are the words of Jesus? LOL his own followers didn't take much notice did they.
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Posted 2013-May-31, 08:43

View Post32519, on 2013-May-31, 00:05, said:


"Then if anyone says to you, 'Behold, here is the Christ,' or ' There He is,' do not believe him.



I have followed this recommendation.
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Posted 2013-May-31, 08:49

Evidently it is pretty easy to get followers.
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Posted 2013-May-31, 09:13

View Postbillw55, on 2013-May-31, 08:49, said:

Evidently it is pretty easy to get followers.

All you have to do is advertise. "Wanted: Disciples. Apply within."
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Posted 2013-May-31, 09:22

View Posthelene_t, on 2013-May-30, 07:12, said:

he may be a pretty smart guy. After all he managed to increase the value of his land.
Agree with helene_t. John Miller is not nuts at all. He is saner and more credible than politicians who, judging from other threads, have convinced many of us :)
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Posted 2013-August-19, 23:10

Big Bang Idea Shot Down
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Posted 2013-August-20, 06:35

View Post32519, on 2013-August-19, 23:10, said:

Big Bang Idea Shot Down

It sounds like satire to me. Atoms/particles spontaneously and continuously gaining mass? And not word of explanation of how this could happen, or even a link to more detailed discussion.
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Posted 2013-August-20, 06:40

View Post32519, on 2013-August-19, 23:10, said:

Big Bang Idea Shot Down

Apart from the obviously misleading title, this would be another blow to the favourite argument of many apologetics, the Kalam cosmological argument.
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Posted 2013-August-20, 10:27

Good to see that years of scientific research has been shot down by a paper by one scientist.
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Posted 2013-August-20, 11:59

No, probably not satire. I found

http://arxiv.org/abs/1303.6878/

and especially

http://www.nature.co...panding-1.13379

My guess is that this view will not catch on except, perhaps, as an entertainment. But who knows? I gather that testing this explanation presents problems.


I was reminded of the old observation "There is no such thing as gravity, the earth just sucks".
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