[eagles123]

we are dealer

r/r mps

854
AT8743
QJT9
-

Thanks,

Eagles

[aguahombre]

No.

[Fluffy]

This hand has so much potential, I don't like 2♥ at all, but I might open 3♥ once in a while. Ace empty is not good, nor the 3 spades. Its not hard to imagine that we cross ruff in their 4♠. Pass is normal.

[gszes]

Those that like to open this type of hand a weak 2 have
all sorts of competitive bidding problems since your weak
2 range is so huge your p will be helpless to make any
rational decision (and thats mostly why we play this game).

Pass

And your hearts stink vulnerable:(

[ggwhiz]

If you reverse the black suits I'm in as a now or never chance but I'll consider it very unlucky if I can't make a better descriptive bid after having passed.

[billw55]

If playing Muiderberg I am tempted. Otherwise no.

[PhilG007]

eagles123, on 2013-September-29, 05:48, said:

we are dealer

r/r mps

854
AT8743
QJT9
-

Thanks,

Eagles

I would cheerfully pass this hand with a clear conscience

[nigel_k]

I'll open 2♥.

It may go wrong when partner has heart shortage or we could end up too low if partner has a heart fit and not much in clubs. The purists may prefer pass but I like to preempt and the hand is not wildly atypical for a weak two.

[StevenG]

2♥ for me too. Whatever others here think, you'll be very much with the field in an English club, and that's normally a safe place to be.

[aguahombre]

StevenG, on 2013-September-30, 01:45, said:

2♥ for me too. Whatever others here think, you'll be very much with the field in an English club, and that's normally a safe place to be.

I don't think I want to be with the field in a situation where both partner and I disagree with the field, no matter where I might be visiting.

[StevenG]

aguahombre, on 2013-September-30, 06:42, said:

I don't think I want to be with the field in a situation where both partner and I disagree with the field, no matter where I might be visiting.

Well, I've tried modifying my style on this type of weak 2, because of what experts say in this forum. The result?? A lot of 0% boards. No thank you.

[MrAce]

2♥ for me too

I would also open 2♥ when red vs white

[Winstonm]

Pass - wtp?

[kenberg]

I think I'll go with the passers. If I am on lead against their 4♠ I plan to lead the ♦Q. If partner is on lead against their 4♠ I certainly don't want to talk him out of leading a club. If the auction dies lower, I can come in. Maybe we belong in 4♥, and maybe we still get there if I pass. Anyway, my call, I pass.

[RSClyde]

2♥, always. Yes you could miss a diamond slam or a spade contract, but there is more to bidding than just being constructive, there's preempting the opponents. Pass is pretty easy to bid over.

[ahydra]

It's just a style thing. For me and my partner 2H would be fine - the suit isn't great, but the overall hand is easily good enough, given the nice shape and side suit.

True, we might get lucky and hear something like (1C)-1D-(1S). But if partner passes over LHO's opening bid, we're now having to show our hand at the 3-level instead of at the 2-level or risk missing something in a red suit, and I'm not convinced we're good enough for that. 2H gets it off our chest in one go, and might net you -100 vs -110 or even making opposite some weak NTs where partner couldn't get in otherwise.

ahydra

[aguahombre]

ahydra, on 2013-October-02, 14:38, said:

True, we might get lucky and hear something like (1C)-1D-(1S). But if partner passes over LHO's opening bid, we're now having to show our hand at the 3-level instead of at the 2-level or risk missing something in a red suit, and I'm not convinced we're good enough for that. 2H gets it off our chest in one go, and might net you -100 vs -110 or even making opposite some weak NTs where partner couldn't get in otherwise.

There is also the possibility that you won't want to "show" your hand later. It is a given that you never "have to" do something at the 3-level. After, say, P (1S) P (2S) --the only case where we would want to do something at the 3-level without Partner yet contributing --3H is a great pre-balance and fully law-protected. Partner might even gain by figuring out you didn't have a 2H opening because you hold what you hold.

[ggwhiz]

aguahombre, on 2013-October-02, 15:13, said:

There is also the possibility that you won't want to "show" your hand later. It is a given that you never "have to" do something at the 3-level. After, say, P (1S) P (2S) --the only case where we would want to do something at the 3-level without Partner yet contributing --3H is a great pre-balance and fully law-protected. Partner might even gain by figuring out you didn't have a 2H opening because you hold what you hold.

Know your partner.

Mine is very good at divining such things and we gain big time when I pass first and send the decision back to her with a later bid. She also balances like a bandit so we almost never miss our own contract by passing on hands like this. Not a mainstream partnership by any means but I'm the catcher and she's the pitcher on hands like this and the style plays to my partners strength.

[wyman]

Agree w Fluffy. Not my style to open 2H with this. Pass is normal, but if you made me open, or if I was feeling really frisky, I'd open 3H.

[CSGibson]

Depends on the day and partnership. I don't have strong feelings about this personally, but when I was tracking preempts, I found that preempting hands with 1 flaw was a big winner, and preempting hands with 2+ flaws was a big loser when I preempted 1st & 2nd seat. In my limited study of my own results, flaws were counted for bad suit quality/unusual suit length, outside first round controls (aces or voids), and outside 4 card majors.

I consider the bad suit and the void to be two flaws in terms of preempting, so I might be able to talk myself into passing, despite my natural inclination to bid.