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Posted 2013-September-26, 03:49

View Postnbxkh, on 2013-September-26, 03:22, said:

大伙可以轮流翻译,心烛一人翻译太辛苦。

太好了,我太高兴了,请大家和我说,真心感谢不尽Posted Image
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Posted 2013-September-28, 01:15

感谢丹大师的授课,谢谢心烛老师的翻译(我真的看不懂,哈哈)。
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Posted 2013-October-03, 21:00

如果有牌例就更好了。谢谢。第三家的2h 学习了,要考虑对家的应叫!学习
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Posted 2013-October-04, 19:18

View Postshisun, on 2013-October-03, 21:00, said:

如果有牌例就更好了。谢谢。第三家的2h 学习了,要考虑对家的应叫!学习

意见提得极是,我已经email给丹大师了,请耐心等待。
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Posted 2013-October-06, 05:45

THIRD SEAT OPENINGS - EXAMPLES

1. Would you open 3rd seat 1 with:

a) x KT9xx Qxxx Axx - No. What if partner responds 1. You cannot Pass 1, and if you bid again, partner now knows for sure you have a full opener and may raise you more.

b) Axx Jxxxx KJ xxx - No. You now can handle any response (If partner bids 1, 1N, 2, 2 you Pass. If 2 (Drury) you return to 2). But now you don't want to open because partner will lead the hearts, which you don't want. Also, with bad trumps, it is easier for opponents to just defend and get a good score.

c) Axx KT9xx Qxx xx - Yes. You can handle any response (as [b]), and you want the lead (as [a]). Both conditions together mean we can open this 1.

2. Would you open 3rd seat NV 1 with:

a) AJTx xx xxx AQxx - Yes. Your suit is pretty good, and you are pretty sure it is not your hand, so may as well preempt. Also, you can Pass a 2 or 2 response.

b) Q9xx KQx x Kxxxx - No. Your suit is not good enough.

c) KJTx AQx xxxx Ax - No. Your suit is good, but your hand is full strength. You might have game (and partner will put you in 4 not 3N). Better to open 1D and get to the natural contract.

3. Would you open a weak two in 3rd seat, both NV, with:

a) QJTxx x Kxxx xxx - Yes. Your suit is solid, you have distribution.

b) Kxx xxx KQJxx xx - No. Your suit is nice, but 5332 is too balanced - partner will raise to 3 with 3 diamonds, and you will lose more tricks than expected. Try 1.

c) x AQJxxx xx xxxx - No. 3! This is third seat after all.

Thanks,
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Posted 2013-October-06, 06:52

View PostDJNeill, on 2013-October-06, 05:45, said:

THIRD SEAT OPENINGS - EXAMPLES

1. Would you open 3rd seat 1 with:

a) x KT9xx Qxxx Axx - No. What if partner responds 1. You cannot Pass 1, and if you bid again, partner now knows for sure you have a full opener and may raise you more.

b) Axx Jxxxx KJ xxx - No. You now can handle any response (If partner bids 1, 1N, 2, 2 you Pass. If 2 (Drury) you return to 2). But now you don't want to open because partner will lead the hearts, which you don't want. Also, with bad trumps, it is easier for opponents to just defend and get a good score.

c) Axx KT9xx Qxx xx - Yes. You can handle any response (as ), and you want the lead (as [a]). Both conditions together mean we can open this 1.

2. Would you open 3rd seat NV 1 with:

a) AJTx xx xxx AQxx - Yes. Your suit is pretty good, and you are pretty sure it is not your hand, so may as well preempt. Also, you can Pass a 2 or 2 response.

b) Q9xx KQx x Kxxxx - No. Your suit is not good enough.

c) KJTx AQx xxxx Ax - No. Your suit is good, but your hand is full strength. You might have game (and partner will put you in 4 not 3N). Better to open 1D and get to the natural contract.

3. Would you open a weak two in 3rd seat, both NV, with:

a) QJTxx x Kxxx xxx - Yes. Your suit is solid, you have distribution.

b) Kxx xxx KQJxx xx - No. Your suit is nice, but 5332 is too balanced - partner will raise to 3 with 3 diamonds, and you will lose more tricks than expected. Try 1.

c) x AQJxxx xx xxxx - No. 3! This is third seat after all.

Thanks,
Dan


第三家开叫的牌例:

1- 下面的牌面中,在第三家你会开叫1吗:

a)牌例


: x

:KT9xx

:Qxxx

:Axx

-不!这牌如果同伴应叫1,你绝不敢pass同伴的1;但你如果再叫,同伴就会肯定地知道你有确切的开叫实力,可能把定约加叫得更高。

b)牌例


: Axx

:Jxxxx

:KJ

:xxx

- 不!现在你虽然可以处理同伴的任何应叫了,比如同伴应叫1 , 1N, 2, 2时,你都可以pass;如果同伴应叫2朱瑞,你可以叫回2。但是,现在不要开叫,因为同伴会首攻H,这不是你所期望的首攻。同理可证,1nt是很差的无将定约,敌方很容易防守并得到一个好的分数结果。


c) 牌例


:Axx

:KT9xx

:Qxx

:xx

- 是的,你现在就像持有b牌例那样可以处理同伴的任何应叫,并且你还期望得到就如同持有a牌例那样的首攻!而这两种情况结合在一起就意味着我们可以开叫这个1了。

2. 下面的牌面中,在第三家无局时,你会开叫1吗:

a)牌例:


: AJTx

:xx

:xxx

:AQxx

- 是的,你的花色很好.并且你肯定知道这牌的最后定约不属于你的牌,所以先行阻击为好。你可以pass同伴的2或2应叫。

b) 牌例


:Q9xx

:KQx

:x

:Kxxxx

- 不开叫!只因为你的花色不够好!

c)牌例


: KJTx

:AQx

:xxxx

:Ax

- 不开叫1!因为的花色虽好,但你的牌面是十足的开叫牌力,你和同伴联手很可能有局(而如果开叫1,同伴将会把最后定约推向4而非3nt)。开叫1d效果更好,这样可以得到自然的最后定约。


3. 下面的牌面中,在第三家双方无局时,你会开叫弱二开叫吗:

a) 牌例


:QJTxx

:x

:Kxxx

:xxx

- 是的,弱二开叫。因为你的花色比较坚固,又有牌型分布。

b) 牌例


:Kxx

:xxx

:KQJxx

:xx

- 不,不可以弱二开叫!因为你的花色虽好,但是你毕竟持有5332牌型,牌型太均了。试想一下,同伴持有3张加叫到3做最后定约的话,你的牌将会有比你所预料的更多的失墩!尝试着开叫1吧。

c)牌例


: x

:AQJxxx

:xx

:xxxx

- 不要弱二开叫,而是开叫3! 因为这毕竟是第三家!!!



谢谢惠阅









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Posted 2013-October-06, 07:19

很好的牌例分析,谢谢心烛
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Posted 2013-October-06, 07:34

很好,谢谢
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Posted 2013-October-06, 07:43

这样好,有牌例容易理解,谢谢
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Posted 2013-October-06, 09:19

拜读了,很好.
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Posted 2013-October-06, 10:11

谢谢老师翻译。加深了理解。
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Posted 2013-October-08, 23:33

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Also, with bad trumps, it is easier for opponents to just defend and get a good score.
这句的翻译,我觉得不是老师翻译的

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同理可证,1nt是很差的无将定约,敌方很容易防守并得到一个好的分数结果。
这个意思。

我觉得应该译为:同时,你持有破的将牌时,对方很容易正确防守并得到一个好的分数。
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Posted 2013-October-09, 03:57

View Postlycier, on 2013-September-24, 10:09, said:

美国著名的桥牌教练,红丝带获得者,桥牌大师丹·尼尔应邀来到我们华人论坛,做专栏嘉宾主持人。希望大家积极跟帖讨论学习。
下面我把丹大师的原文翻译如下:


第三家的轻开叫

作者:丹·尼尔

轻开叫的最佳时机是第三家:
- 同伴应叫pass过了,因此定约很可能属于敌方。
- 如果是敌方赢得定约,我们需要消耗空间,可能是首攻指示性的(大多数通常情况下,当我方pass时,可以肯定敌方将会寻找到最佳定约)

那么,轻开叫有多轻?

- 如果你有能够在一阶争叫的一手牌,那么这手牌很可能就是适于轻开叫(9P+的好套子)

警告:
- 如果你有0-2张S,而你却轻开叫其他花色,同伴一旦可能应叫1S,那时你该如何处理好?
- 确保你可以pass同伴所作的任何应叫
- 第三家轻开叫,如果第四家pass,同伴使用德鲁利约定叫以免花色相配时定约太高。
- 但是!在竟叫进程中,使用所有的正常加叫 - 请不要以为同伴很可能不是轻开叫者。
- 轻开叫时,开叫4张好的花色;但如果正常点力开叫,就不要这样,因为最后定约可能属于你方。

弱二轻开:
- 第三家无局弱二可以是较好的5张花色,并有单缺的一手牌。
- 确保同伴知晓这一原理,不要作基于6张的加叫。

第三家的轻开叫不必提醒,这是可预料中的事情。
在第二家开叫后下列行动也同样地认为是古怪的:
5张花色套的在二阶上的跳争叫;用1hcp的牌做技术性加倍。

总而言之,当同伴pass后,投入第三家!

谢谢大家。



谢谢老师翻译,我会好好学习的。
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Posted 2013-October-09, 05:53

View Postlycier, on 2013-October-06, 06:52, said:

第三家开叫的牌例:

1- 下面的牌面中,在第三家你会开叫1吗:

a)牌例


: x

:KT9xx

:Qxxx

:Axx

-不!这牌如果同伴应叫1,你绝不敢pass同伴的1;但你如果再叫,同伴就会肯定地知道你有确切的开叫实力,可能把定约加叫得更高。

b)牌例


: Axx

:Jxxxx

:KJ

:xxx

- 不!现在你虽然可以处理同伴的任何应叫了,比如同伴应叫1 , 1N, 2, 2时,你都可以pass;如果同伴应叫2朱瑞,你可以叫回2。但是,现在不要开叫,因为同伴会首攻H,这不是你所期望的首攻。同理可证,1nt是很差的无将定约,敌方很容易防守并得到一个好的分数结果。


c) 牌例


:Axx

:KT9xx

:Qxx

:xx

- 是的,你现在就像持有b牌例那样可以处理同伴的任何应叫,并且你还期望得到就如同持有a牌例那样的首攻!而这两种情况结合在一起就意味着我们可以开叫这个1了。

2. 下面的牌面中,在第三家无局时,你会开叫1吗:

a)牌例:


: AJTx

:xx

:xxx

:AQxx

- 是的,你的花色很好.并且你肯定知道这牌的最后定约不属于你的牌,所以先行阻击为好。你可以pass同伴的2或2应叫。

b) 牌例


:Q9xx

:KQx

:x

:Kxxxx

- 不开叫!只因为你的花色不够好!

c)牌例


: KJTx

:AQx

:xxxx

:Ax

- 不开叫1!因为的花色虽好,但你的牌面是十足的开叫牌力,你和同伴联手很可能有局(而如果开叫1,同伴将会把最后定约推向4而非3nt)。开叫1d效果更好,这样可以得到自然的最后定约。


3. 下面的牌面中,在第三家双方无局时,你会开叫弱二开叫吗:

a) 牌例


:QJTxx

:x

:Kxxx

:xxx

- 是的,弱二开叫。因为你的花色比较坚固,又有牌型分布。

b) 牌例


:Kxx

:xxx

:KQJxx

:xx

- 不,不可以弱二开叫!因为你的花色虽好,但是你毕竟持有5332牌型,牌型太均了。试想一下,同伴持有3张加叫到3做最后定约的话,你的牌将会有比你所预料的更多的失墩!尝试着开叫1吧。

c)牌例


: x

:AQJxxx

:xx

:xxxx

- 不要弱二开叫,而是开叫3! 因为这毕竟是第三家!!!



谢谢惠阅






有结合具体牌例,理解起来就容易多了,谢谢老师! :P
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Posted 2013-December-12, 19:12

拜读,谢谢各位老师!
第三家轻开叫应该还要考虑局况是否有利。PD间的默契很重要。
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