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Don't lead from aces?

Poll: Your lead (29 member(s) have cast votes)

Your lead

  1. spade (10 votes [34.48%])

    Percentage of vote: 34.48%

  2. A of hearts (11 votes [37.93%])

    Percentage of vote: 37.93%

  3. Q of hearts (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. low heart (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. diamond (7 votes [24.14%])

    Percentage of vote: 24.14%

  6. club (1 votes [3.45%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.45%

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#1 User is offline   cherdano 

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Posted 2005-January-23, 17:14

Scoring: IMP

P-(P)-3-(X)-P-(4)-AP

You are not exactly upset that your preempt pushed your opponents to the dream spot of 4. What's your stab at beating this?
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Posted 2005-January-23, 17:20

I voted for the A of hearts, usually its wrong to lead aces but i think its ok here, atleast least of evil.
The opponents bidding suggest that K of heart wont be in RHO hand and the chances of it being with LHO arent great either, also LHO will usually have 4 spades which make the spade lead less atractive.
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Posted 2005-January-23, 17:51

spade for me. Good agressive lead.
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Posted 2005-January-23, 18:13

DT for me. Good aggressive lead, lol.
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Posted 2005-January-23, 21:02

Not sure what good a diamond lead would do.. the chance that your partner can win the first two diamond tricks is quite low. The heart ace might work, but the queen makes it quite likely that it gives up a trick. I'm going for a low spade, ace of hearts second choice.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2005-January-24, 03:53

The title of this topic is only confusing all of us imo. Is it a trick question? <_<

Anyway, I think Q has a nice chance of being a lead which creates some action.
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Posted 2005-January-24, 05:12

A because i don't know what to do <_< .... maybe pard can signal something
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Posted 2005-January-24, 05:50

Hannie, on Jan 24 2005, 03:02 AM, said:

Not sure what good a diamond lead would do.. the chance that your partner can win the first two diamond tricks is quite low. The heart ace might work, but the queen makes it quite likely that it gives up a trick. I'm going for a low spade, ace of hearts second choice.

A low spade is not without risk. Declarer could have STx or SJx. If pd has DAQ, at least I can get a ruff. Even if pd has only DA, if he like, he can return H. DT is relatively safe in my opinion.

Any lead could be right or wrong. If it is obvious, posters will not post it here at all.
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Posted 2005-January-24, 07:09

I lead A here but I'm not sure it's good.

"Don't lead from aces?"
My partner likes leading low from an ace. When he leads and declarer takes by an ace I know that my partner has no ace <_<
It sometimes gives a trick to declarer and sometimes it's a perfect lead.
The problem is (for example):
suit contract
low card was lead, small from dummy

Normal is to play nine. But when partner has the ace.....
Sorry, my english is not perfect :(
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Posted 2005-January-24, 08:50

A of H. Not unlikely pard can get a ruff
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Posted 2005-January-24, 12:16

Just lead your longest suit, since is headed by Ace I'll switcht to second longest: .
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Posted 2005-January-24, 12:50

I think I would lead DT
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Posted 2005-January-24, 13:03

HeartA, on Jan 24 2005, 01:50 PM, said:

I think I would lead DT

You of all ppl i would expect to lead the A of heart.
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Posted 2005-January-24, 13:40

This is a good lead problem. My thinking for what it is worth.

1) Spades: LHO is not apt to hold 4 spades else he would have bid them instead of Clubs.
RHO will tend to have 4 spades for his t.o. dble, leaving 4-5 spades in partner's
hand.

2) Hearts: RHO rates to hold 1-2 hearts, leaving 4/5 in the remaining hands, or an
expectation 2 1/2 in each hand, most likely 2 in partner's hand as he did not
further the pre-empt with a 4H bid, but this is only minor maybe.

3) Diamonds: RHO is likely to hold 3, 4, 5 diamonds for the double, more likey 4.
LHO bid clubs instead of diamonds, leaving some number of diamond length
in partner's hand. Most likely is 4/5 based on 4432 or 5332 distribution of the
diamond suit.

4) Clubs: Most likely distributions for LHO are 3334, 2345, 3245, 2335 or 3235,
although a more distributional hand is possible - however it is unlikely as he
is marked with a modicum of HCP's yet did not try for any game contract.

5) Most likely distributions for RHO for his double seem to be 4144, 4234, 4243,
5233, 5143, 5134, or 5233. Certainly others are possible.

6) Most likely distributions for LHO are 3235, 2344, 3244, 3325, 2245, or 3334.
Seems at least 1/2 or more of the time they have found a 9-card fit.

7) Partner's likely distribution: 4344, 4243, 4234, 5143, 5134, or 4153.

Now, what to lead? If I lead heart A and a heart and partner ruffs, we still need two more tricks and I have no fast reentry. Besides, that may blow a trick when RHO has doubled on Kx of hearts or when either opp holds Kxx in hearts. Seems that in most cases LHO has a balanced or semibalanced hand and RHO has not the ruffing power. If they have found a 5/4 or 5/3 fit, we may be able to cut down on the ruffs in RHO's hand.

I go passive/aggressive and lead a trump.
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Posted 2005-January-24, 13:42

This is not going to be a match-breaker, I guess,
so I yawn and lead ace of hearts without strong
feelings. At imps, really, the fate of 4C is
almost irrelevant. Either the swing is minimal
or the board has been already won or lost
at the bidding.
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Posted 2005-January-24, 14:36

A of heart.
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Posted 2005-January-24, 14:57

nikos59, on Jan 24 2005, 07:42 PM, said:

This is not going to be a match-breaker, I guess,
so I yawn and lead ace of hearts without strong
feelings. At imps, really, the fate of 4C is
almost irrelevant. Either the swing is minimal
or the board has been already won or lost
at the bidding.

Really?? If the other table plays 3 - 1, then there is a 6 IMP difference between 4 making and going down. Same if they play 3=, or 4=, or 3NT-1. Even if your team mates bid and make 3NT, there are 2 IMPs up for claims at your table.
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Posted 2005-January-24, 15:07

Winstonm, on Jan 24 2005, 07:40 PM, said:

1) Spades: LHO is not apt to hold 4 spades else he would have bid them instead of Clubs.
RHO will tend to have 4 spades for his t.o. dble, leaving 4-5 spades in partner's
hand.

I think you read it wrongly. LHO dbled, he rates to have spades, not RHO. If RHO has spades, he would bid it, as u said.
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Posted 2005-January-24, 15:34

You are right...I did see this wrong and thought RHO had doubled. Certainly not the first or last time I've seen or will see things corsseyed, I'm afraid> :)
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Posted 2005-January-25, 04:25

cherdano, on Jan 24 2005, 08:57 PM, said:

nikos59, on Jan 24 2005, 07:42 PM, said:

This is not going to be a match-breaker, I guess,
so I yawn and lead ace of hearts without strong
feelings. At imps, really, the fate of 4C is
almost irrelevant. Either the swing is minimal
or the board has been already won or lost
at the bidding.

Really?? If the other table plays 3 - 1, then there is a 6 IMP difference between 4 making and going down. Same if they play 3=, or 4=, or 3NT-1. Even if your team mates bid and make 3NT, there are 2 IMPs up for claims at your table.



Yes, we totally agree: if the *maximum* potential swing
is a measly 6 imps then the swing is really minimal and
it is almost not worth to bother about this board. Relax,
this is not matchpoints, you can afford it.

(And I know that many a match has been won or lost by
5, 3, or 1 imp)
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