[broze]

Playing natural(-ish) methods.

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SOUTH dealer.

[benlessard]

I would probably go
1H-1S
3D-4NT (quant)
5NT-6C (PAS)
6S-6Nt

I do a PAS just in case responder has Hx in H or AJTxx in S.

Maybe 4NT quant is an overbid because of probable communication problems but QJT of clubs is really nice.

[ahydra]

That's one of the ugliest 21-counts I've ever seen. Ah well,

1H-1S
3D-4C (4SF)
4H-4NT (RKC hearts)
5S-6NT (2 w/Q)

Basically North is hoping that either the hearts or clubs run. I wouldn't blame him for wimping out in 4H at teams.

ahydra

[mike777]

both 4nt and 4c 4sf look like overbids. Hard to get there if we start 1h.

If we are going to overbid rather start 2c.

[Cyberyeti]

Isn't 6N terrible on heart lead, win A♠ first time, play a club, don't you now need hearts 3-3 as you can't get at J♠.

[iviehoff]

Cyberyeti, on 2013-August-14, 12:28, said:

Isn't 6N terrible on heart lead, win A♠ first time, play a club, don't you now need hearts 3-3 as you can't get at J♠.

I wouldn't say a heart lead was terribly likely, but a club lead is just as inconvenient, as it equally takes out one of dummy's entries. And you'll be relying on a degree of helpfulness in the breaks even on a friendly diamond lead if they spot the fairly obvious defence of taking the SA first time and returning a H.

[Siegmund]

@benlessard: PAS? Apparently I am once again behind on the lingo. Let me check and see if a new grey hair appeared in my beard this week.

[benlessard]

Siegmund, on 2013-August-15, 23:30, said:

@benlessard: PAS? Apparently I am once again behind on the lingo. Let me check and see if a new grey hair appeared in my beard this week.

Pick a Slam, its usefull to suggest an alternate trump suit. Its often a 7-card fit.

[Siegmund]

k, have heard of 5n pick a slam, some reason the abbreviation didnt click. Got up too early to drive to a sectional today, that's what I blame it on. And my afternoon result confirms it.

[Fluffy]

This one is really complicated, even with some gadgets to show south's shape neither south nor north has enough power to realistically move over 3NT given the stiff honors. And since the trick source happens to be the 4th suit, there is no way to find it after a jump shift or similar.

[Zelandakh]

Playing natural and no applicaable gadgets I think it would just go 1♥ - 1♠; 3♦ - 3NT most of the time. The suggested 4♣ and 4NT rebids look like pretty clear mistakes to me. Even playing unnatural(-ish) methods, it is by no means clear. After

1♣ = 15+ nat/bal or 18+ any
... - 1♥ = GF, 4+ spades, <4 hearts unless bal or 3-suited
1♠ = relay, usually 18+
... - 2♠ = 5+ spades, 5+ clubs
2NT = relay
... - 3♣ = 5035/5125
3♦ = relay
... - 3♠ = 5125 min,

there is a strong argument for bailing out in 3NT. It depends on how you evaluate your ♣K to some extent. The alternative of a natural 4NT would reach the slam now. I feel good about a borderline slam being a borderline decision.

[PhilG007]

broze, on 2013-August-14, 08:38, said:

Playing natural(-ish) methods.

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SOUTH dealer.

2♣ 2♠
3♥ 4♣
4♦ 6NT

[Antrax]

PhilG007, on 2013-September-23, 08:55, said:

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2♣ 2♠
3♥ 4♣
4♦ 6NT

[Endymion77]

If it goes 1♥ - 1♠ - 3♦, North has a rather uncomfortable decision and I think 3NT would be the practical choice. The hand looks like a misfit and partner can jump shift with as little as 18 or so, no need to go over 3NT. On the other hand, opening 2♣ is a bit of an overbid by South so I guess most of the time 6NT won't be reached unless you're playing strong club and both sides are able to show extras after it starts 1♣ - 1♠ - 2♥ (again far from certain).

[DJNeill]

I would open the South hand 2♣, and so North, whether responding 2♦, 2♠, or 3♣ will always fumble to 6N I think (the clubs are tricks).

[Vampyr]

PhilG007, on 2013-September-23, 08:55, said:

2♣ 2♠
3♥ 4♣
4♦ 6NT

What is 2♠? It is a lot more common to use 2♦ as a waiting bid rather than bid a poor-quality suit.

[Cyberyeti]

Doesn't 6♣ have a lot more chance than 6N ?

I wouldn't open 2♣ but if I had, I'd respond 3♣ rather than 2♠, don't bid bad suits on good hands.

[benlessard]

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The suggested 4♣ and 4NT rebids look like pretty clear mistakes to me.

"clear mistake" ???? your facing a jump shift and you possibly have 4 tricks in your hand, yes a H lead or switch at trick 2 might kill your hand but they are not really likely to lead H anyway. 4NT isnt going down more often that you are going to miss slam if you only bid 3Nt, the bigger problem about 4Nt is it may lead to unmakable slam. I would be a lot more nervous about 3NT all pass than after 4NT all pass.