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How to find slam here?
East opener, opps silent
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Find The Slam clubs, diamonds or hearts lol
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Posted 2013-August-12, 13:27
How to find slam here?
East opener, opps silent
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"definitely that's what I like to play when I'm playing standard - I want to be able to bid diamonds because bidding good suits is important in bridge" - Meckstroth's opinion on weak 2 diamond
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Posted 2013-August-12, 13:43
I don't want to play any slam here.. I expect I would play 4NT. Something like 1H-1S-3H-4D-4NT-AP.
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Posted 2013-August-12, 13:45
surely at least heart slam has pretty good play?
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Posted 2013-August-12, 14:57
eagles123, on 2013-August-12, 13:45, said:
surely at least heart slam has pretty good play?
Well you need hearts 3-3 or Kx onside or exactly 109 doubleton either side, not great odds to start with and you need something else.
1♥-1♠-2♣(we almost never pass this and it's sufficient opposite what we do pass it on)-2♦-3♥-3N
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Posted 2013-August-12, 16:29
This is a horrible slam, the kind Roland Wald likes (it's a running commentator joke). 4♥ oddly is the contract you want to play, but most people will play in 3NT or 4NT.
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Posted 2013-August-13, 02:18
ok thanks folks, didn't think it was that bad a slam but obviously I was mistaken!!
a side question: our sequence was (opps silent)
1H - 1S - 2C - 3N - 4H
would 4NT now be keycard in hearts or sign off in no trumps?
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a side question: our sequence was (opps silent)
1H - 1S - 2C - 3N - 4H
would 4NT now be keycard in hearts or sign off in no trumps?
Thanks,
Eagles
"definitely that's what I like to play when I'm playing standard - I want to be able to bid diamonds because bidding good suits is important in bridge" - Meckstroth's opinion on weak 2 diamond
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Posted 2013-August-13, 02:36
With a pick up partner or in the N/B forum, 4NT over a suit bid is always Blackwood 
. Thinking about it though, is there a hand for Responder that would bid this way without either heart tolerance or a club fit? 4 spades (since no 2♦ rebid); 0-1 hearts (no heart fit); 0-3 diamonds (would respond 1♦); 0-3 clubs (no club fit). 4133 seems to be 2 cards short. Even if we deviated by, for example, treating a weak 5 card spade suit as 4 it is still not possible. In other words, can you come up with a hand that wants to make a natural 4NT bid here?
. Thinking about it though, is there a hand for Responder that would bid this way without either heart tolerance or a club fit? 4 spades (since no 2♦ rebid); 0-1 hearts (no heart fit); 0-3 diamonds (would respond 1♦); 0-3 clubs (no club fit). 4133 seems to be 2 cards short. Even if we deviated by, for example, treating a weak 5 card spade suit as 4 it is still not possible. In other words, can you come up with a hand that wants to make a natural 4NT bid here?
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Posted 2013-August-13, 04:37
Zelandakh, on 2013-August-13, 02:36, said:
With a pick up partner or in the N/B forum, 4NT over a suit bid is always Blackwood . Thinking about it though, is there a hand for Responder that would bid this way without either heart tolerance or a club fit? 4 spades (since no 2♦ rebid); 0-1 hearts (no heart fit); 0-3 diamonds (would respond 1♦); 0-3 clubs (no club fit). 4133 seems to be 2 cards short. Even if we deviated by, for example, treating a weak 5 card spade suit as 4 it is still not possible. In other words, can you come up with a hand that wants to make a natural 4NT bid here?
. Thinking about it though, is there a hand for Responder that would bid this way without either heart tolerance or a club fit? 4 spades (since no 2♦ rebid); 0-1 hearts (no heart fit); 0-3 diamonds (would respond 1♦); 0-3 clubs (no club fit). 4133 seems to be 2 cards short. Even if we deviated by, for example, treating a weak 5 card spade suit as 4 it is still not possible. In other words, can you come up with a hand that wants to make a natural 4NT bid here?Kxxxx, void, AKQ10x, Kxx or similar, but very unlikely.
Of course you can't want to bid 4♠ natural on this auction (particularly if you play SJS), neither can you be void, so if you play kickback, 4♠ asks aces and 4N is natural but that's not N/B.
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