[mr1303]

The thing is, each of those hands that Ben suggests were "about right" I'm opening at the 1 level. I don't really know what a vul pre-empt would look for me, probably something like KQJTxxx and not 7222 shape, but over and above that I just take views.

Wish my partner would take views, when he opened a multi on:

x
QT9xxxx
xxx
QJ

Vul against not

[flytoox]

cnszsun, on Jan 13 2005, 11:40 AM, said:

you can find the hand here:"original hand". Glad i'm not the only one to choose pass then 4S.

pass then 4S is very risky, I think 3s over 3H much better.

[david_c]

mr1303, on Jan 13 2005, 07:20 AM, said:

The thing is, each of those hands that Ben suggests were "about right" I'm opening at the 1 level. I don't really know what a vul pre-empt would look for me, probably something like KQJTxxx and not 7222 shape, but over and above that I just take views.

Wish my partner would take views, when he opened a multi on:

x
QT9xxxx
xxx
QJ

Vul against not

... and in second seat too ... but still, there is one good reason to bid on this hand - it's MPs, and opps are probably the best E-W pair in the field.

[inquiry]

mr1303, on Jan 13 2005, 08:20 AM, said:

The thing is, each of those hands that Ben suggests were "about right" I'm opening at the 1 level. I don't really know what a vul pre-empt would look for me, probably something like KQJTxxx and not 7222 shape, but over and above that I just take views.

Wish my partner would take views, when he opened a multi on:

x
QT9xxxx
xxx
QJ

Vul against not

At matchpoints, I too stretch the meaning of a vul versus non-vul preempt... sometimes I will have one less than my bid (assuming normal breaks), other times, I will be two short (your KQJTxxx with 7222 = six tricks is two short of a 3H contract). In third chair, I will also open with a preempt that could be two short even at imps.... if I am fairly sure that at worse it will be two short.

Haviing said all of that, a vulnerable verus non-vul preempt at imps in first or second seat really should be sound. The reason is fairy clear... you have a lot more to lose (doubled down just two is worse than any game they can make), and less to gain (their games are only worth 400 points, so you are not preempting them out of much on the majority of hands). If both sides are vul, of course, you can relax the stringent requirement for the preempt.

Is this way (the way I play) the only way? Of course not, see the partial listing of hands in my ealrier post. But at least I am consistent (I alert my vul versus non-vul preempts as "sound"... the truth is other than weak two, I make very few such preempts).

Ben

[han]

Do you play that a weak-2 (or whatever 2-level preempt you play) at these colors when playing imps can also be a hand that you'd open at the 1 level at other colors?

e.g. KQJxxx xx AKx xxx, is this a weak 2 at these colors (7 tricks).

[Fluffy]

It may have not enough tricks, but anyway I will open KQJxxxx at the 3 level at any vulnerability, and I expect my partner to do the same.