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#1 User is offline   luke warm 

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Posted 2005-January-08, 12:52


Dealer: South
Vul: NS
Scoring: IMP
♠ AT965
♥ AKJ32
♦ 2
♣ J3


West North East South

 -     -     -     1♠
 Pass  2NT   4NT    

2NT=Jacoby, 4NT=minors
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Posted 2005-January-08, 13:06

5♥



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Posted 2005-January-08, 13:41

5♥ nice bid... only one correct bid on this one tho
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Posted 2005-January-08, 13:56

would a 5D cue be better as then your p may be able to bid 6H rather than pass? or would he bid 6!H over ur 5H anyway, or am I missing something here like a brain :))
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Posted 2005-January-08, 14:09

you're vulnerable, they aren't... your partner showed a 4+ card support forcing spade raise... 5♦, because of your hearts, forces 5♠, 6♣, or 6♠... i'm just trying to get a sense of what people would bid in that situation

an added question is, what does partner need for the 2nt bid?
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Posted 2005-January-08, 14:15

luke warm, on Jan 8 2005, 03:09 PM, said:

an added question is, what does partner need for the 2nt bid?

he prommis usally 13+ and 4+ cards ♠and hes unlimitid. so he could have"half the deck"

and if u use splinter he dinies any void(singelton)



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Posted 2005-January-08, 14:21

yeah, that's my thinking too
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Posted 2005-January-08, 14:42

I would bid 5D.
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Posted 2005-January-08, 14:46

5D

Like to play 2nt a bit stronger.
stiff or void showing weaker often losing trick of 7.
3nt=14-16 4333 with only 3 card support
4c=17+ and 4333 with only 3 card support
4d=5 trumps and only one outside ACE or 1.0-1.5 outside quick tricks
1 major=4 major=weaker.
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Posted 2005-January-08, 14:51

5♥ Two suiter.
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Posted 2005-January-08, 15:43

unfortunately, i bid 6s... the only "winning" bid was pass

Scoring: IMP


West North East South

 -     1♠    Pass  2NT
 4NT   6♠    Pass  Pass
 Pass  

as you can see, 5C or 5D is off at least one... my thinking at the time was, the 4nt bid already insured a bad result unless *maybe* i sign off in 5S and 6 doesn't make...

i was influenced by what i perceived the 2NT bid would look like, but jumping to 6S was probably wrong ... i just could see no way to salvage any kind of score short of slam

btw, i wouldn't personally bid 2NT with the south hand, but even over 4H west bids 4NT... also, others playing e/w also bid 4nt, but n/s ended up in the same boat... the ones who made either got no interference else all easts led hearts, even knowing west had minors
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Posted 2005-January-08, 19:00

5♥ is more than a cue bid; it should show a suit, or least a concentration of values.

Pard's minor suit kings are wallpaper on this auction; Mike will gladly sign off in 5♠.
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Posted 2005-January-08, 19:03

wasn't playing with mike this time, but i'm thinking that once west bid 4nt, the best n/s can do is e/w 5m off one, doubled... limit of n/s hand is 4S, if east leads a club
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Posted 2005-January-08, 19:07

Its totally double dummy to knock off 5 of a minor with an 11 card fit and a 5-5 in one hand.

Congratulate West for a nice bid and move on. Even if North makes a FP; I'd be shocked for South to do anything but 5♠.
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Posted 2005-January-08, 19:57

that's exactly what i did, phil... msg'd him and said "nice bid"...
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Posted 2005-January-09, 09:18

I think 5♥ is the best bid here: no immediate slam ambition, true ♥s as well. Partner should bid 5♠ with his hand.
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Posted 2005-January-10, 03:45

Free, on Jan 9 2005, 10:18 AM, said:

I think 5♥ is the best bid here: no immediate slam ambition, true ♥s as well. Partner should bid 5♠ with his hand.

Also think 5♥ is the best without first round minor control !
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Posted 2005-January-10, 05:17

Free, on Jan 9 2005, 03:18 PM, said:

I think 5♥ is the best bid here: no immediate slam ambition, true ♥s as well. Partner should bid 5♠ with his hand.

5H must show slam interest. I admit I will bid to at least 5S and go down. This should be credit to opp's high level intevention
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Posted 2005-January-10, 05:25

flytoox, on Jan 10 2005, 12:17 PM, said:

Free, on Jan 9 2005, 03:18 PM, said:

I think 5♥ is the best bid here: no immediate slam ambition, true ♥s as well.  Partner should bid 5♠ with his hand.

5H must show slam interest. I admit I will bid to at least 5S and go down. This should be credit to opp's high level intevention

I disagree. If you have slam ambition, you can easily bid one of the minors for cue...
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Posted 2005-January-10, 06:07

Free, on Jan 10 2005, 11:25 AM, said:

flytoox, on Jan 10 2005, 12:17 PM, said:

Free, on Jan 9 2005, 03:18 PM, said:

I think 5♥ is the best bid here: no immediate slam ambition, true ♥s as well.  Partner should bid 5♠ with his hand.

5H must show slam interest. I admit I will bid to at least 5S and go down. This should be credit to opp's high level intevention

I disagree. If you have slam ambition, you can easily bid one of the minors for cue...

Yes, I didnt cue them cause I dont have them. If you have no ambition but want to play at the five level, why not simply bid 5S? 5S shows no interest in slam, so 5H must show interest.
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