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Winstonm, on Jan 11 2005, 01:52 AM, said:

My apologies. You are right in that I did not see that 1C was artificial. Thanks for pointing this out. Certainly changes the auction.

I think now that I will bid 2NT if this asks for the minor, as I want to find out if we have a double fit. Opener will bid 3C presumably, and now partner bids 3D? If so, I'm back to my original position and bid 4S.

Ciao.

WinstonM

Why would opener bid only 3♣ this time?

[Winstonm]

[QUOTE] Why would opener bid only 3♣ this time?

Again you are right. He should bid 3S indicating a powerful heart minor 2-suiter of some sort. The jump to 5C is too unilateral and takes the heart suit of of play. If you are wondering why 3S would show hearts/minor it is because there are too many other ways to bid minor 2-suiter, simplest being just bid the higher minor or use 4S or 4NT for minors here.

Anyway, that's my thinking. In the auction you had (I like the 3S bid, btw, as it puts pressure on the opps), LHO missed the boat by jumping to 5C and losing the heart suit; better would be to double for t.o. and pull 4D to 4H showing h/c 2-suiter.

[Winstonm]

To answer the original question, I pass. Pard is limited and my shape isn't that great and they are not guaranteed to make it; we could be taking a phantom save and even if it is a real save it may be too expensive.

[mila85]

I pass because our overcalls over strong/polish club when partner passed can be very very undisciplined.

[shanbari]

inquiry, on Jan 10 2005, 07:42 PM, said:

Ok...

The best bid on the actual hand was pass (as sooooo many of you bid). Turns out partner probobably has a hammer of 5♣, as he has !SA, !DA, and !CK. Five clubs is donw one, five of either of your suits is down two. Hearts made four, five and six (but with good defense should make only 4). Of course, you can't imagine your partner has three tricks (well, he had only two as declearer has a spade void, but you will get 2!D and a !C).

The five club bidder held...

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My thoughts was not to bid 5♦ becuase that might tell them that they have a doble fit (we know about our double fit, htey are still in the dark). So I would never bid 5♦. So for me, the option was a pass happy they missed 4♥, and 5♠ to take advantage of the our secret double fit.

Ben

hi ben,

5d seems fail on this one then, i didn't realize that the 5c bidder could hold 5 card hearts ! do you have the full hand, i need to read the spade and diamond fit by our side.

thanks,

shan

[inquiry]

shanbari, on Jan 11 2005, 11:18 AM, said:

hi ben,

5d seems fail on this one then, i didn't realize that the 5c bidder could hold 5 card hearts !  do you have the full hand, i need to read the spade and diamond fit by our side. 

thanks,

shan

Scoring: IMP

West North East South

 -     Pass  Pass  1♣!
 1♠!   Pass  3♠    5♣
 Pass  Pass  5♠    Pass
 Pass  Pass  

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Event Topflight: (yes, they occassionaly let me play... don't show them my 5♠ bid here... since no double, I won 1.5 imps, would have done better if I pass. The problem with this hand is one pair, after finding their heart fit, made a 4♠ cue-bid, got doubled, redoubled to show first round control and played in 4♠xx by the hand with a void...so not many imps to be won our way or lost either. Even in topflight an occassional odd thing happens.... Yes even odder than my very rare preemptive bid (3♠ and then me bid again (5♠).

Ben

[shanbari]

ic, ben, EW hands is mirror on the side suit. very bad, since west hold only 4 card spade, unfornately.

BTW, 5D by east seems only down 1, unless they can get spade ruff.



further question, if west held 55 shape, then 5D by east may be better option ?
would opps find 5/6h contract at high level, it seems 50/50 chance.


anyway, the original 1s garanteed 4 card spade is making the things slightly different. then Pass is truely winning choice.


shan

[pclayton]

Odd 5♣ call. Wouldn't you expect a single suiter with clubs? I did. Whats wrong with a double of 3♠?

[hotShot]

If we have a double fit, they have one too. THe only way they can find out about that now, is me bidding 5♦. With this double fit, they can easyly have a hand that makes 5♣. I don't believe in the second trick in ♠.


I vote for 5♠

[inquiry]

Jlall, on Jan 11 2005, 04:45 PM, said:

X of 3S??? yikes!!!

Just is right. Is there any doublt that if double 3!S that is where you will play (given your partner's five spades)? That would be a true disaster for NS (well not as bad as 4S by south doubled and redoubled down six--that is -2800 for NS--that happened at one table, but still very bad).

Ben