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Get to 6 after a weak 2?

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Posted 2003-June-13, 00:29

Hand from Wed night. Best way to get to 6S?
Green vs Red

Jxx
QTxxxx
void
Qxxx

AKQxxx
x
ATx
AKx

Most Nths started with a weak 2
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Posted 2003-June-13, 01:46

2 Heart -2 Spade nat. und forcing
4 Diamond-4 NT Splinter RCKB
5 Club -6 Spade no aces ok

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Posted 2003-June-13, 04:39

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Hand from Wed night. Best way to get to 6S?
Green vs Red

Jxx
QTxxxx
void
Qxxx

AKQxxx
x
ATx
AKx

Most Nths started with a weak 2


The following looks vaguely plausible:

2H - 2S
3S - 4C
4D - 5C
5D - 6S
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Posted 2003-June-13, 06:28

Preempts preempt both opponents and partner... :-)

At the table I would join the 2S responders, but if you play 2NT ask for shortness you will easily get to six.

2H - 2N weak 2 - conventional force
3D - 3S short D - spade's forcing
4D - 4NT D void "fit" - RKCB
5x - 6S 5x whatever shows 0 - end
Pass

South knows all his partner needs is CLub Q, or Heart KQ, or in a pinch, heart KJ (with hook) for a play at six spades.

If opener is brave enough to show his Diamond void over 2S with a leap to 4D, then the auction will be just as easy. I am afraid I would not open that hand 2H's however in first and definetly not in second seat (3H, in first chair maybe). Third seat, 2H ok...but this wasn't third seat.
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Posted 2003-June-13, 06:31

I don't think you can get to slam here, you will know the hA is missing and then what are you going to do with the club loser? You need exactly the cQ to win 6, it's very difficult.

The only way I can see is playing the old-fashioned "feature ask"

2h - 2n
3c - 3s
4s - 6s

Or:

2h - 2s
3s - 4c
4d - 5c
6c - 6s

But I'm not sure that any of those auctions is likely.
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Posted 2003-June-13, 06:45

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The following looks vaguely plausible:

2H - 2S
3S - 4C
4D - 5C
5D - 6S


I don't think you can bid 6s over the 5d bid, what are you going to do with the club loser?
The key is declarer's 4th bid, if he bids 5d showing 1st and 2nd round control in diammonds (a void) then you will play 5s :-(
However if he decides that after 4c and 5c the cQ is the key to the hand he can rebid 6c over 6c and then you can play 6s or 7s if pd has a heart void. I think that after 4c and 5c opener may find the 6c bid. I don't know....
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Posted 2003-June-13, 07:51

I'm not worried about the club loser:

If partner has the Queen of Club, we're golden.
If partner has as little as Kxxxxx in Hearts than slam is 50%. If LHO has the Ace of Hearts than I can simply lead to the Heart King. If LHO ducks, then I no longer have a heart loser. If he pops, then I have a discard.

Please note:

Holding

xxx
QJTxxxx
xx
xx

I'll pass rather than open 2H [even at this vulnerability]

However, holding

xxx
QJTxxx
x
xxx

I'l open 3H.
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Posted 2003-June-13, 16:57

I conducted a straw poll of this hand on wed night. Only two other pairs bid 6. They started with 2H 2NT asking for shortness.

EVERY pair that started with 2D multi failed to bid slam. Makes you think, doesn't it? - and I am a multi fan. It was just too hard as they HAD to start with 2D 2NT - the auctions diverged but 6 appeared unattainable.

We bid 6, but we did not start with a weak 2 and had a strong C auction. I felt the weak H suit, 3 card support for the other M and a void were together too much to open 2H.
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Posted 2003-June-16, 17:52

Jxx
QTxxxx
void
Qxxx

AKQxxx
x
ATx
AKx

It will be quite simple without the self preempt 2H.

South North
2C 2H
2S 4D
4NT 5C
6S PASS

2H: SAYC, negative, less than one K;
4D: having shown negative, North can afford to bid the max of the min;
4NT: can't be Blackwood since North has denied any A or K, therefore, even if it's not defined as Q ask, it is forward going;
5C: some value in clubs;
6S: that's all I need!

This way, the vital Q of clubs can be found.
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