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When I play with three robots, often all the tables will make the same bid, say four hearts, with the exact same bidding sequence, and all the tables make 5 hearts, and my robot goes down one.
I simply don't understand this logic. Would appreciate an explanation as this happens all too frequently.
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Robot (mis) bidding and (mis) play Need explanation of robot differences
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Posted 2013-June-29, 22:11
It happens occasionally (you only notice it when you're damaged by it).
The robot plays by creating random hands consistent with what it's seen so far. If you're unlucky, the robot might randomly choose weird hands and take a strange line of play. This is mostly applicable to the basic robot - the advanced one is considerably less likely to suffer from this.
The robot plays by creating random hands consistent with what it's seen so far. If you're unlucky, the robot might randomly choose weird hands and take a strange line of play. This is mostly applicable to the basic robot - the advanced one is considerably less likely to suffer from this.
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Posted 2013-June-29, 22:14
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Odd, I was replying in another thread.
Odd, I was replying in another thread.
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Posted 2013-June-30, 15:52
Antrax, on 2013-June-29, 22:11, said:
It happens occasionally (you only notice it when you're damaged by it).
The robot plays by creating random hands consistent with what it's seen so far. If you're unlucky, the robot might randomly choose weird hands and take a strange line of play. This is mostly applicable to the basic robot - the advanced one is considerably less likely to suffer from this.
The robot plays by creating random hands consistent with what it's seen so far. If you're unlucky, the robot might randomly choose weird hands and take a strange line of play. This is mostly applicable to the basic robot - the advanced one is considerably less likely to suffer from this.
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Posted 2013-June-30, 15:55
thanks. that's helpful. It happened to me three times in only a few hands, so I suspect it is more common than imagined. With that kind of result,I might as well have a human partner.
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Posted 2013-June-30, 21:03
Again, if you can afford it, it shouldn't happen if you rent an advanced robot (assuming you're using the web client)
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Posted 2013-June-30, 21:43
They say that but there hasn't ever been a true comparison between basic GIB and advanced GIB ever reported.
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Posted 2013-July-01, 11:55
cloa513, on 2013-June-30, 21:43, said:
They say that but there hasn't ever been a true comparison between basic GIB and advanced GIB ever reported.
Just go play like 100 hands vs. advanced GIBs, and compare how well they do vs. most other tables using the basic. It's very obvious to me that the basic GIBs are lobotomized; the advanced GIBs judge how high to bid a lot better, and butcher fewer contracts. It's not close.
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Posted 2013-July-01, 15:52
I'm not paying for your absymal GIBs- inherently poor as the system is poor. You provide the evidence- you're BBO.
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Posted 2013-July-01, 16:36
Cloa513, you are ridiculous, why don't you just stop posting here, you don't contribute anything at all to anybody.
1. I am not affiliated with BBO at all. I am just paying customer.
2. Apparently you are claiming that there is no evidence that advanced bot is better than basic bot without ever paying to use advanced bot?
3. I'm providing evidence, my testimony. I'm not going to the trouble of transcribing all the hand records of when the advanced bots bid/played differently from the basic bots to satisfy someone like you who is never going to be satisfied.
Yes, I know GIB far from perfect, or even "very good". That is why I post so many bidding bug reports. Some of them get fixed, GIB improves incrementally over time, yes we all wish it was faster. But all you do is whine and say "GIB sucks". What's the point? If you hate the GIBs, then don't play with them, and don't post whines about them here when you aren't using the product. If they suck so bad why are you using them???
To me advanced GIB is not abysmal. I prefer practice vs. GIB than vs. random BBO players. I would back myself playing with GIB vs. random BBO opps any day. Are they better than me & my real life partners? No. Are they as good as true experts? No. Would I prefer playing against known good opps? Yes. But GIB is always there 24/7, it is not easy to organize good real opps to play against at any random time.
But they play better than a random club opp IMO. My random club opps make atrocious bids and plays all the time, more frequently than GIB IMO. And they don't mind when my partners and I want to pause to discuss things, which make them desirable sparring opponents.
1. I am not affiliated with BBO at all. I am just paying customer.
2. Apparently you are claiming that there is no evidence that advanced bot is better than basic bot without ever paying to use advanced bot?
3. I'm providing evidence, my testimony. I'm not going to the trouble of transcribing all the hand records of when the advanced bots bid/played differently from the basic bots to satisfy someone like you who is never going to be satisfied.
Yes, I know GIB far from perfect, or even "very good". That is why I post so many bidding bug reports. Some of them get fixed, GIB improves incrementally over time, yes we all wish it was faster. But all you do is whine and say "GIB sucks". What's the point? If you hate the GIBs, then don't play with them, and don't post whines about them here when you aren't using the product. If they suck so bad why are you using them???
To me advanced GIB is not abysmal. I prefer practice vs. GIB than vs. random BBO players. I would back myself playing with GIB vs. random BBO opps any day. Are they better than me & my real life partners? No. Are they as good as true experts? No. Would I prefer playing against known good opps? Yes. But GIB is always there 24/7, it is not easy to organize good real opps to play against at any random time.
But they play better than a random club opp IMO. My random club opps make atrocious bids and plays all the time, more frequently than GIB IMO. And they don't mind when my partners and I want to pause to discuss things, which make them desirable sparring opponents.
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