[Hanoi5]

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You're dealer, w/r. Butler.

[aguahombre]

One

[Lord Molyb]

aguahombre, on 2013-June-15, 18:45, said:

One

[rmnka447]

The hand is not quite an opener unless you blindly follow the rule of 20.

The issues are whether to preempt and, if so, what level of preemption to choose.

I just hate preempting at the 4 level if they are likely to have the majors. It seems like someone always Dbls and they end up playing 4 of a major.

So it comes down to either bidding 3 or 5.

NV, i'm going to be aggressive in making them guess what to do!

5 ♦

[gszes]

very reasonable 3d bid this hand will probably play well
in diamonds or nt. would open 4d but have enough junk
on the side to want to keep 3n in the picture. Too hard to
ever make future decisions properly after a 1d opening if
the bidding becomes competitive our almost zero defense
hand will make decisions made by partner invariably wrong.

3d has one additional benefit if p bids 3h or 4c we can raise
if we open 1d we will spend our entire auction trying to say
diamonds diamonds and please slow down p i have garbage.

[gszes]

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[aguahombre]

rmnka447, on 2013-June-15, 20:16, said:

The hand is not quite an opener unless you blindly follow the rule of 20.

The rule I like to blindly follow is the rule of 2. In first or second chair my preempts are designed to stick it to two people, not 3. I believe that QJ of clubs will throw a monkey wrench into CHO's evaluation of the combined ODR.

At least, if I open 1D and rebid them (say 2D, and 3D) partner might expect a little something useful outside for 3NT.

[EricK]

rmnka447, on 2013-June-15, 20:16, said:

The hand is not quite an opener unless you blindly follow the rule of 20.

The issues are whether to preempt and, if so, what level of preemption to choose.

I just hate preempting at the 4 level if they are likely to have the majors. It seems like someone always Dbls and they end up playing 4 of a major.

My feeling is quite the opposite. I love pre-empting at the 4 level if they might have the majors. It seems like someone has to double on a not quite shape suitable hand, and they end up having to guess which major to play - and at what level.

[Zelandakh]

Am I allowed to open 3NT to show a good 4m preempt?

[wank]

Zelandakh, on 2013-June-18, 04:05, said:

Am I allowed to open 3NT to show a good 4m preempt?

do you have a good 4m pre-empt?

[wank]

i'd open 1. pass would be ok if you played a particularly solid opening style.

as for pre-empting at the 4 or 5 level, you'll often go for 500 against 4M-1 with so poor offence to defence. 4 is slightly better because partner might not have a hand to raise so you'll escape having to play in a daft contract and because they'll often guess wrong when it comes to choosing a major, unlike at the 5 level where they normally just take the money.

[Codo]

wank, on 2013-June-18, 04:44, said:

do you have a good 4m pre-empt?

For Zels standards this is closer to a semiforcing then to a preempt.

[gwnn]

no way am I opening this on the 1 level! 4♦ for me. we're w/r! Yea too bad for that ♣QJ but it still seems like my hand is closer to a 4♦ opening than 1♦ then 2♦ (then 3♦ then...)

[Zelandakh]

Codo, on 2013-June-18, 05:03, said:

For Zels standards this is closer to a semiforcing then to a preempt.

Half a playing trick short.

[billw55]

rmnka447, on 2013-June-15, 20:16, said:

The hand is not quite an opener unless you blindly follow the rule of 20.

The issues are whether to preempt and, if so, what level of preemption to choose.

I just hate preempting at the 4 level if they are likely to have the majors. It seems like someone always Dbls and they end up playing 4 of a major.

So it comes down to either bidding 3 or 5.

NV, i'm going to be aggressive in making them guess what to do!

5 ♦

Agree, 4m is often just a slow transfer to 4M. Also 3m may sometimes be better than 4m because it gives them an extra way to go wrong (stop in 3 when game is there). Preempts are all about hoping they get it wrong. Put me down for 5♦.

[cherdano]

I hate hate hate opening this hand 3♦.

[PhilKing]

Fore!

[nige1]

Hanoi5, on 2013-June-15, 17:43, said:

You're dealer, w/r. Butler

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IMO 1♦ = 10, 3♦ = 9 (Reese might approve), 5♦ = 8, 4♦ = 7, 2♦ = 5. Other = 2. No strong feelings. Anything might work.

[ggwhiz]

1♦ here too.

Style wise my pard will never play me for this (outside defence/stoppers) if I bid anything else but will play me for it when I keep repeating the suit.

[cargobeep]

I like 1♦ with the quality spot cards.