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What is this 4C?

#1 User is offline   jet999 

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Posted 2013-June-24, 10:40

Pass Pass 1C Pass
1S 2D PAss 3D
3S Pass 4C

What do you think this 4C?
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Posted 2013-June-24, 11:20

S support, slam try? like: Qx(x), Axx, xx(x), AKxxx or better
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Posted 2013-June-24, 11:39

What is the level of players in involved. For a Beg/Int I'd bet money this is a fistful of clubs and spade shortness.

Actually, that should probably be true anyway. Can you really make a 100% non-forcing pass and then have a slam try over an invitational raise by a passed hand?
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Posted 2013-June-25, 02:54

View PostTylerE, on 2013-June-24, 11:39, said:

What is the level of players in involved. For a Beg/Int I'd bet money this is a fistful of clubs and spade shortness.

Actually, that should probably be true anyway. Can you really make a 100% non-forcing pass and then have a slam try over an invitational raise by a passed hand?

Anyway if you do have a slam try what is wrong with an unambiguous 4 bid?

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Posted 2013-June-25, 03:39

Hi,

Some questions to consider.

#1 do you have agreed to play supportX? If yes, do you play them as mandatory?
=> Pass over 2D may or may not rule out 3 card spade support.

#2 How loose is your weak two style? Partner showed a 6 card suit, but did not
open the bidding with a weak two. Colors may matter.

#3 What would be the meaning of 3C over 2D, do you have tools available to limit
openers hand, like an artifcial 2NT bid?

Having said that, whateverer I believe the bid may or may not show, opener wont have
a hand, that justifies the bid. As responder I would simply rebid my 6 card spade
suit, hoping to end the auction.

With kind regards
Marlowe
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Posted 2013-June-27, 03:09

View PostP_Marlowe, on 2013-June-25, 03:39, said:

Hi,

Some questions to consider.

#1 do you have agreed to play supportX? If yes, do you play them as mandatory?
=> Pass over 2D may or may not rule out 3 card spade support.

#2 How loose is your weak two style? Partner showed a 6 card suit, but did not
open the bidding with a weak two. Colors may matter.

#3 What would be the meaning of 3C over 2D, do you have tools available to limit
openers hand, like an artifcial 2NT bid?

Having said that, whateverer I believe the bid may or may not show, opener wont have
a hand, that justifies the bid. As responder I would simply rebid my 6 card spade
suit, hoping to end the auction.

With kind regards
Marlowe


#1 We did play support X as mandatory
#2 Weak 2 requirement is quite harsh, at least 2 top of 3 honors to open weak 2.
#3 3C over 2D is good hand with invitational values as we dont have something like Good Bad 2NT.
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Posted 2013-June-27, 05:58

Then you should have mentioned this in the OP. #1 in particular - you would (or should) have alerted Opener's pass online or behind screens; why would you not do so when asking for advice?
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Posted 2013-June-28, 04:16

View Postjet999, on 2013-June-27, 03:09, said:

#1 We did play support X as mandatory
#2 Weak 2 requirement is quite harsh, at least 2 top of 3 honors to open weak 2.
#3 3C over 2D is good hand with invitational values as we dont have something like Good Bad 2NT.

from this follows, that opener will have
#1 at most 1 spade
#2 weak opening bid, 6+ clubs, but correcting 3S to 4C makes only sense, if he will have 7+ clubs.

Opener disregarded the advice to getout as fast as possible in a nonfit auction.

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