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blackshoe, on 2013-June-04, 13:02, said:
"Relay; asks me to show my suit. Not forcing".
Is there such a thing as a non-forcing relay?
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Posted 2013-June-04, 13:14
Is there such a thing as a non-forcing relay?
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Posted 2013-June-04, 13:24
Vampyr, on 2013-June-04, 13:14, said:
Is there such a thing as a non-forcing relay?
Sure. Playing Asptro, 2♦ in the sequence (1NT) - 2♣ - (P) - 2♦ is a non-forcing relay.
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Posted 2013-June-04, 13:45
Vampyr, on 2013-June-04, 13:14, said:
Is there such a thing as a non-forcing relay?
There is now.
Actually, I suppose it depends on how you define "relay". I had in mind something like "artificial, asks for further information", although now that I look, that's not the definition the ACBL apparently uses. From the Alert Definitions: "Relay: A bid which does not guarantee any specific suit; partner is requested to make the next-step bid (usually) or make another descriptive bid if appropriate (e.g., a diamond bid which usually shows hearts but may not have hearts in some cases)". Confusing, ain't it?
The Bridge World uses:
relay
(1) (noun) an artificial call, very often the cheapest bid, possibly nondescriptive or at most partially descriptive, that asks or allows partner to offer a description.
(2) (verb) to use a relay (meaning 1).
(3) (adjective for system) a bidding method in which a high proportion of constructive auctions make use of relays.
The example they give for meaning (1) is Stayman.
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Posted 2013-June-04, 14:03
FWIW the Orange Book defines "relay bid" as
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A response made to allow partner to bid again and indicating nothing about the denomination bid.
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Posted 2013-June-05, 01:17
On BBO, I always describe a next step advance of an Asptro 2m overcall as "non-forcing relay" and so far noone has asked anything further. In face to face bridge I obviously give a more complete answer. For the 2♣ advance, something like "Asks what my suit is and is non-forcing. Denies a hand with game interest opposite a club overcall." would seem reasonable. The last part might need to be expanded depending on what the alternatives to relaying are. Pedantists might think the first part should be excluded but I am confident that most opponents would prefer to hear it (and it does not say what I am going to do since the agreement might be that I make a transfer advance with a major).
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